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Doohickie 04-08-10 06:59 AM

2a: I'll stop in my lane position. However, if I'm going straight, the car behind has a right blinker on and there is enough room, I'll squeeze to the left and wave the right turner through. If they look like they want to turn right but don't use their blinker, I don't move. If they announce their intentions I will cooperate. If they keep me guessing I won't.

mickey85 04-08-10 06:59 AM

I'll stay in the left wheel rut of the lane, if that makes sense. That way, people can get around me (if it's a big enough intersection) to turn right, but I still don't get sideswiped by a car going straight. Sometimes I park on the induction coil in the vain hope that it's doing something, but honestly, it isn't.

colleen c 04-08-10 07:26 AM

If there is no cars, I'll take the right lane. Anyone show up behind me will have to wait for the green light and me getting out of there way if they want to turn right.

If there cars at the light and room near the curb. I will coast near the curb stopping at about their rear door such that if they want to make a turn, they will not clip me. This also give me a view if what the drivers doing. If she/he is looking left all the time, then I assume they will be making a right turn. If they are holding a phone, then it's a marker for me to be careful of this driver.

truman 04-08-10 07:36 AM

I stop in the middle of the rightmost lane. If a car comes up behind me and signals a right turn, will catch the driver's eye, move left enough to let the car by and gesture for the driver to proceed. This almost always results in a clear gesture of gratitude from the driver.

Caveats: No turn signal - I ignore you. Crowd my rear wheel, I ignore you. Honk your horn at me, I look at you, shake my head ruefully and commence ignoring you. Expressions of impatience will not be rewarded.

Metzinger 04-08-10 07:37 AM

To be honest, I usually roll up to the intersection, check if there's cross traffic, then roll through.
That's what two years in Holland can do to a previously conscientious rider.

BarracksSi 04-08-10 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by electrik (Post 10639603)
3)I stop as close to the left of the lane as possible and end up sandwiched between cars.

This, but modified -- I often can stop where straight-thru traffic can't go past me yet right-turning traffic has room to turn. If possible, I put myself past the pedestrian crosswalk and leave room between myself and the right curb. The straight traffic can't reach me, the turning traffic can turn.

No problems yet.

Wanderer 04-08-10 07:43 AM

Poll, fail!

Only antagonistic answers available....

ItsJustMe 04-08-10 08:17 AM

On intersections with lots of room, I also pull to the right and put a foot on the curb. This is if there's room both AT the light and AFTER the light. I don't want to get squeezed into a line of parked cars after the light.

Azreal911 04-08-10 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by emperorcezar (Post 10640722)
^ This if there is plenty of room. Else #2. Haven't had anyone honk at me. Sometimes I scoot over to the left some for people to make right turns. People are used to us in Chicago, so it tends not to be a big deal.

that's cause your city is one of the 15 :)
http://matadortrips.com/the-worlds-1...riendly-cities

as for me since i'm on side streets with little pedestrian traffic I ride my strida up on to the sidewalk when it's red and just sit there watching cars turn and make sure I don't get run over when it's green again.

iforgotmename 04-08-10 08:39 AM

In situations where I know cars are going to turn right I stop short (about a car length from the crosswalk) and put one foot on the curb allowing cars that come up to turn. If we are going straight I either slowly filter or get in the left tire track. It all depends on the situation. If it is not a major intersection I slow down , look both ways and continue on.

josephjhaney 04-08-10 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Metzinger (Post 10640881)
To be honest, I usually roll up to the intersection, check if there's cross traffic, then roll through.
That's what two years in Holland can do to a previously conscientious rider.

Uh oh, the nannies will be by any time now to hit your hands with their rulers! ;)

I stop at the red, and generally stay wherever I was riding. I tend to pay just as much attention to the cars as I did when I rode my motorcycle, and I don't see any difference except I'm turning the wheels now, where before it was a big old motor, and I was a lot fatter :). Oh, and I get to ride the shoulder if I want.

Joe

RedWhiteandRed 04-08-10 09:24 AM

I ride in Toronto and my answer is (2) - it is too dangerous to be close to the curb - you will get hit by a car. The likelihood of being struck increases closer to the curb.

Though the real answer is that it depends - downtown: number 2.

In the US inspired suburban highways - number 2.

Leebo 04-08-10 09:36 AM

Um, # 4. +1 to what BarracksSi said. I pull all the forward past the crosswalk if I see a right turn signal behind me. You can go straight, and the cars can turn right. I don't want to be on the right curb when the cars are turning, bad idea.

electrik 04-08-10 10:21 AM

Updated the vote count...

I was just trying to get a general idea of what is common and what driver's may be expecting. For me i get a lot of honks with #2... just wanted to make sure i wasn't nuts since a lot of riders who don't commute on a daily basis often think i am nuts for using option #2. Of course, i will let traffic go by if there is sufficient room when i come to a stop, but personally i don't move to the very edges of the lane to enable motorists to push through. When i am stopped at the line though and my feet are off the pedals, i'm probably not moving. :D

Maybe the next question should be to the #2 users: After how much honking do you get off your bicycle and shuffle to the side of the road?

longbeachgary 04-08-10 10:32 AM

3
I move to the left so that traffic that want to turn right can do so without waiting. When the light changes, I move to the right.

BarracksSi 04-08-10 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Leebo (Post 10641535)
Um, # 4. +1 to what BarracksSi said. I pull all the forward past the crosswalk if I see a right turn signal behind me. You can go straight, and the cars can turn right. I don't want to be on the right curb when the cars are turning, bad idea.

Exactly. Check out the scuff marks from vehicles' rear tires hitting the curb at a lot of intersections.

JPprivate 04-08-10 10:49 AM

2) with the qualifier that I move so far up that usually right turners can take their turn behind me/to my right.

paul2432 04-08-10 11:26 AM

Where I live most roads have bike lanes. I stay in the bike lane. Most right turns also have a turning lane. In these spots the bike lane is between the turning lane and the through lane. I guess this is (2), but there is never anybody honking. Of course there is a spot where the turning lane crosses the bike lane and I need to be careful. Usually at this spot the bike lane is a dashed line to show cars where to cross over.

Paul

mikeybikes 04-08-10 11:50 AM

Depends? I stay in the right tire track of the right most through lane queued up with my place in line.

The only time I really waver is in downtown and if the light is on the Barnes Dance (Pedestrian Scramble). Then I pull up to the light, wait for the crosswalk to clear and go. I actually tried waiting one day, and a motorist told me to "Just go! No point in you waiting!" So, I heed his advice. Sure its not legal, but perfectly safe.

neil 04-08-10 11:56 AM

If you were riding in a right-turn only lane, you need to move left (and really, you shouldn't have been in that lane unless you were planning on turning). Never go right to the curb, that'll get you hooked. Either claim a turn/straight lane, or move to the left of a turn only lane.

My attitude is that I should not hold up traffic any more than any other vehicle going the same direction.

hubcap 04-08-10 12:37 PM

#3

Dan The Man 04-08-10 12:37 PM

When coming to a red light at an intersection...
If the right lane is a turn lane
If there are stopped cars in the just the turn lanes
Move to the middle of the non-turn lane.
If there are stopped cars in just the non-turn lanes
If there is traffic coming up behind me in the turn lane
If I am more than 10 seconds away from the intersection
Stay to the right of the rightmost turn lane. As traffic slows down, move in between the nearest non-turn lane and turn lane. Pass stopped cars and then pull in front of the first car in the non-turn lane.*
If I am less than 10 seconds away from the intersection
Take the middle of the right hand lane. At the intersection move in front of the first car in the non-turn lane.*
If there is no traffic coming up in the turn lane
Continue along the rightmost lane and then pull in front.*
If there are stopped cars in all lanes
Move over and pass in between the rightmost non-turning lane and the leftmost turning lane. Pull in front of the first car in the non-turning lane.*
If the right lane is not a turn lane
Do everything the same, but pull in front of the first car in the rightmost lane at the stop. If they signal to turn, move forward and slightly left to give them space.
*If the other side of the intersection looks wide open (no parked cars), I would stay to the right side of the bumper of the first car in the non-turning lane.

njkayaker 04-08-10 01:43 PM

On a 1 lane road, I'll pretty-much do 2. On a 2 lane road, I would carefully do a form of 3. (If they are honking at you, you know they see you.)

rumrunn6 04-08-10 02:13 PM

I sip water. sometimes check my rear strobe to be sure it's still strobing. wipe sweat from my brow. clean my glasses. adjust zippers.

wait, what did you ask? oh yeah. sometimes I take the lane and keep my position but that is rare. I usually filter up to where the 1st car can see me in the shoulder. I scan back at the cars so they know I know they are there. I often sit tight while everyone passes me while I'm stopped, then after a dozen or so cars have passed I get going. If I don't wait I at least wait long enough for the first car to take off and what I do is turn my head to look at their fender, and my body posture shows that I am waiting to take off, but not until after they do.

every intersection is a judgment call isn't it?

daven1986 04-08-10 02:14 PM

2. In the UK cars can't turn on a red so I don't have to worry about turn honkers. Sometimes I'll jump the lights if it is a green pedestrian man or it is clear - don't put anyone in danger or cause anyone to take evasive action before anyone gets on their high horse!

Sometimes I will filter between cars and wait between them.

I guess it depends on the situation though!


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