Driver profiling: hats and hoods
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Too hard to profile driver with caps or hood in this state, because most of them also tinted their window including the front door window.
I do give my best respect whenever I profile a car with some kind of bike rack or holder on them. Too me, they're like sister and brothers.
I do give my best respect whenever I profile a car with some kind of bike rack or holder on them. Too me, they're like sister and brothers.
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I think you missed my point. Rusty old pickup trucks are usually people from out of town who are uncomfortable driving in the city. They occasionally do stupid things, but tend to do them really slowly, and are pretty much nervous of all traffic, inluding bikes.
The problem is the new trucks with the massive front ends and double wide rear tires that are driven hotshot young MBAs, oilfield labourers and other such people with more money than brains.
The problem is the new trucks with the massive front ends and double wide rear tires that are driven hotshot young MBAs, oilfield labourers and other such people with more money than brains.

PS It is the small size pickup though,dont need big one for city use.
Last edited by ddez; 05-28-10 at 09:15 AM.
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I read somewhere that some psychologist thought he might do a study, because he thought he could make a case that anyone with > 3 bumper stickers on their car probably had some kind of diagnosable mental illness.
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No no no. It's the car with the driver applying nail polish to her/his fingernails and gingerly handling the steering wheel with one hand so the other hand can dry without smearing that you worry about. It's tricky not messing up a manicure while driving and obviously the priority here is pretty nails.
I saw this marvelous driver last summer. She couldn't figure out why other drivers were honking at her as she drove like a snail in the centre lane.
I saw this marvelous driver last summer. She couldn't figure out why other drivers were honking at her as she drove like a snail in the centre lane.
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*Rampant Unsupported Profiling Alert*
Bad:
Minivans (all kinds). Men who drive them overcompensate for the fact that buying the damned thing was the wife's idea, and he couldn't have the Mustang he wanted; women who drive them seem to be in a constant state of low-grade panic, likely because they're late for daycare/soccer/hockey/karate/piano/school/ballet/whatever (hi, sis!).
Boiracers. There's nothing like the Pwissssss! of a turbo system dumping pressure to say, "I (or more likely, my parents) have more money than brains." C'mon, an aftermarket turbo on a Dodgey Neon?
Lift kits. For men, the distance the truck has been lifted is directly proportional to the insecurity the driver feels over the length of his penis. For women, it's directly proportional to the length of the penis she envies.
Token good:
Corvettes (all years). Plastic fantastic + 215 pounds of me through the windshield = closed casket funeral for the driver. That, or the dent I'd leave in the car will worsen the owner's mid-life crisis. Either way, Corvette drivers give me a wide berth.
Bad:
Minivans (all kinds). Men who drive them overcompensate for the fact that buying the damned thing was the wife's idea, and he couldn't have the Mustang he wanted; women who drive them seem to be in a constant state of low-grade panic, likely because they're late for daycare/soccer/hockey/karate/piano/school/ballet/whatever (hi, sis!).
Boiracers. There's nothing like the Pwissssss! of a turbo system dumping pressure to say, "I (or more likely, my parents) have more money than brains." C'mon, an aftermarket turbo on a Dodgey Neon?
Lift kits. For men, the distance the truck has been lifted is directly proportional to the insecurity the driver feels over the length of his penis. For women, it's directly proportional to the length of the penis she envies.
Token good:
Corvettes (all years). Plastic fantastic + 215 pounds of me through the windshield = closed casket funeral for the driver. That, or the dent I'd leave in the car will worsen the owner's mid-life crisis. Either way, Corvette drivers give me a wide berth.
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On long rides I have found people with big pickups and horse trailers tend to give me lots of safe space. I don't know any horse people, but my guess is that they understand being a vulnerable road user.
SUVs, and pickups in general, where I live in the 'burbs, are unnecessary and a sign of wasteful consumption. Their drivers tend to be selfish jerks. I imagine that drivers who actually have a need for large vehicles may drive differently, like the horse trailer people.
SUVs, and pickups in general, where I live in the 'burbs, are unnecessary and a sign of wasteful consumption. Their drivers tend to be selfish jerks. I imagine that drivers who actually have a need for large vehicles may drive differently, like the horse trailer people.
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Anybody in cars. I'd say about 2% to 1% of drivers. No particular typing noticed. I do notice that the home bound rush hour seems present more of them.
I tend to ride in poor to working class neighborhoods.
I tend to ride in poor to working class neighborhoods.
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Personally, I wear a Cinci Bearcats hat whenever I'm not in the office, and my car has a stainless exhaust with a big tailpipe. I give half a lane every time, which is pretty often since my route home from work is all backroads between East Longmeadow, MA and Hartford, CT (popular bike route apparently).
Maybe my hatch-mount bike rack that I'm too lazy to ever remove really does offset the risk factors...
Maybe my hatch-mount bike rack that I'm too lazy to ever remove really does offset the risk factors...
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On long rides I have found people with big pickups and horse trailers tend to give me lots of safe space. I don't know any horse people, but my guess is that they understand being a vulnerable road user.
SUVs, and pickups in general, where I live in the 'burbs, are unnecessary and a sign of wasteful consumption. Their drivers tend to be selfish jerks. I imagine that drivers who actually have a need for large vehicles may drive differently, like the horse trailer people.
SUVs, and pickups in general, where I live in the 'burbs, are unnecessary and a sign of wasteful consumption. Their drivers tend to be selfish jerks. I imagine that drivers who actually have a need for large vehicles may drive differently, like the horse trailer people.
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One could argue that a small pickup is greener than some cars.
#41
By all stereotypes, everyone should dive for the ditch when they see me coming...
- beat up, lifted Jeep with aftermarket exhaust and CB antennas
- stickers covering rear side windows
- wearing a baseball cap
But I suppose it's offset by...
- 4 bike Thule rack on rear hitch
- stickers are almost all bike company advertising
- cap has LBS logo
- beat up, lifted Jeep with aftermarket exhaust and CB antennas
- stickers covering rear side windows
- wearing a baseball cap
But I suppose it's offset by...
- 4 bike Thule rack on rear hitch
- stickers are almost all bike company advertising
- cap has LBS logo
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*Rampant Unsupported Profiling Alert*
Bad:
Minivans (all kinds). Men who drive them overcompensate for the fact that buying the damned thing was the wife's idea, and he couldn't have the Mustang he wanted; women who drive them seem to be in a constant state of low-grade panic, likely because they're late for daycare/soccer/hockey/karate/piano/school/ballet/whatever (hi, sis!).
Bad:
Minivans (all kinds). Men who drive them overcompensate for the fact that buying the damned thing was the wife's idea, and he couldn't have the Mustang he wanted; women who drive them seem to be in a constant state of low-grade panic, likely because they're late for daycare/soccer/hockey/karate/piano/school/ballet/whatever (hi, sis!).
I have a minivan, 2004 Mazda MPV, it was my decision to buy it (for utility: fits 3 people, 3 bikes with wheels on and all gear inside) and I'm a very considerate and safe driver. And I would never drive a sports car, ever. So there goes your stereotype... although I pretty much agree that I am an exception from this rule
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cccorlew mentioned drivers with horse trailers giving plenty of room, and I notice that around here, too. I don't know if it's based on equestrian understanding of being a vulnerable road user, or if it's just because they're safety conscious about their humongous trailers and actually understand how much space they take up on the road. Either way, I've never gotten less than 1/2 a lane of clearance from one.
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I'm not 20 so maybe I gotten over my illness by now.....NOT!
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For me, the ones to watch out for is any car or truck containing two or more young guys. They're the ones that throw things at me, and I can just imagine that every time, it is preceded by: "Hey, watch this!" If they're well behaved enough not to try to clip me or throw things at me, they can't refrain from shouting something out the window.
As someone posted earlier, it is usually an afterthought. I can't see them coming, but I can tell the demographic as they pass by.
This week, as I was riding home, some guys shouted out the window at me: "WOOOOOO!" I caught up to them at the light, pulled up next to them, and gave them the: "What was THAT all about?" look. One of them timidly replied: "Nice lights." Somehow, they lose their courage when they are no longer anonymous or going 40 mph faster than us.
As someone posted earlier, it is usually an afterthought. I can't see them coming, but I can tell the demographic as they pass by.
This week, as I was riding home, some guys shouted out the window at me: "WOOOOOO!" I caught up to them at the light, pulled up next to them, and gave them the: "What was THAT all about?" look. One of them timidly replied: "Nice lights." Somehow, they lose their courage when they are no longer anonymous or going 40 mph faster than us.
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i am cautious of EVERY car I see. however, i am guilty of 'profiling' before I yell at a driver for being an ass. If they look intimidating, i let it go, otherwise i'll let them know they need to watch where they're going. that's just from learned experience, I don't like when big scary dudes get out of their car and ask me to repeat myself.



