Camcorder Pays off on Day one
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You are correct - I was too close to the shoulder. That section of road is wide enough that if I hug the white line, a regular sized car can give me three feet by just touching the center line. So there I was, trying not to be a PITA, and that was the price I paid. Lesson Learned.
#29
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The camera is an ATC2K (latest model is a 3K) from Oregon Scientific. It is waterproof to 10 feet, and comes with a mounting kit which provides 3 or 4 different options for mounting it - one of which is designed for bicycle handlebars (which is where I have mine). This model holds a 2 GB memory card, but the ATC3K will hold a 4 GB. I get about 55 minutes of video on my 2GB card. My commute is 15 miles one way so it just about fills the card for a one way commute. The sound on it is useless, however, so you only get silent video. But it serves its purpose beautifully.
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I find it a bit insulting that you would imply riding in this manner increases my chances for issue. Cars are just as likely to squeeze you if you take the lane, if just out of anger at where you are.
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#32
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You are correct - I was too close to the shoulder. That section of road is wide enough that if I hug the white line, a regular sized car can give me three feet by just touching the center line. So there I was, trying not to be a PITA, and that was the price I paid. Lesson Learned.
It isn't cut and dry though; there are times when I do move to the right. The best way to discern what is best is to be able to easily see behind you which is why I think a mirror is essential when riding out on the road.
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Well played, pharasz. And extraordinarily reasonable and responsive words from the company; hopefully, the deeds follow. See you all at the Rally to Restore Sanity.
Lots of shades of grey on the take the lane thing, very debatable, I don't find a convincing argument on either side. Ultimately, situational dependent and usually players' choice. But definitely a nice reminder of another BF commuter repeat offense for my list.
#34
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From: Fairfax, VA commuting to Washington DC
Bikes: 2010 Kona Dew Drop (the daily driver),'07 Specialized Roubaix (the sports car), '99 ish Kona NuNu MTB (the SUV), Schwinn High Plains (circa 1992?) (the beater)
As a recent example of this, last week, I took the lane on a 'quiet' residential street, such that I was actually positioned to the left-hand side of the lane because of the parked cars on the right, and the very narrow street profile at the point in question (the top of a short hill).
Despite my aggressive positioning, and my quite reasonable speed, I had a young man in a 3 series BMW pass me ON THE LEFT such that he was completely in the oncoming lane (actually, so far over that he was in the space where cars occasionally park on that side of the road).
I had very intentionally taken the lane because a) the road is too narrow and has too little LOS to permit a safe pass, regardless of my lane position, b) I was close to or at the speed limit on said residential street and c) I want to discourage exactly the kind of bone-headed maneuver this young man performed.
Fortunately for both of us, there was no oncoming vehicle at that particular moment, but that was sheer dumb luck.
The law in my jurisdiction also requires me to 'ride as far to the right as practicable.'
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That means as far to the right as you need to be in order to be safe, avoid debris, etc. This is likely spelled out in the law (it's pretty clear in Texas law anyway). The exception that blows it away in many cases is that it only applies when the lane width is at least 14 feet, which disqualifies a lot of the roads I ride. The other exception is that if there is not enough room (regardless of the measured lane width) for safe operation of a bicycle and a car in the same lane, which covers a lot of curves and limited visibility conditions. It's a good idea to look up the laws and find out what you're legally able to do.
As for the BMW that passed in the oncoming lane, I try not ot let it bother me if cars pass me on a double yellow or whatever. I won't encourage it by moving to the right before they make their move, but once they commit, if there is no oncoming traffic, I'll give them as much room as I can. If there is oncoming traffic, I'll move even further left and put my left arm out and down with my palm open, facing backwards. That is pretty clearly "No! Don't pass!" to drivers and they always ease up. Once the oncoming traffic is clear I move right and wave the car around me and usually get a friendly wave or honk once they realize I saved them from a close call (or worse).
As for the BMW that passed in the oncoming lane, I try not ot let it bother me if cars pass me on a double yellow or whatever. I won't encourage it by moving to the right before they make their move, but once they commit, if there is no oncoming traffic, I'll give them as much room as I can. If there is oncoming traffic, I'll move even further left and put my left arm out and down with my palm open, facing backwards. That is pretty clearly "No! Don't pass!" to drivers and they always ease up. Once the oncoming traffic is clear I move right and wave the car around me and usually get a friendly wave or honk once they realize I saved them from a close call (or worse).
#36
I actually ran a red light on dekalb (on a totally clear street) yesterday and a delivery truck guy pulled up beside me and said "listen I'm a biker too, the cops will ticket you there"... so it was a bizarro situation... the delivery guy in a huge truck was reprimanding me. I apologized and then we talked about bikes throughout the next red light.
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I'm one of the "taking the lane" believers. In this case it is a four lane road and the driver can easily take the left lane when it clears enough to do so. I think this case supports the "taking the lane" argument. I consider it a lesson learned and will start riding three feet out. There is a curb on the shoulder so I had nowhere to go as this huge truck sloooowly rolled by me (I was going about 20 MPH with a tail wind).
On mirrors: I acquired a mirror after being hit from behind by a car about four months ago. In that case I was claiming the lane and the driver simply was not looking where they were going (obviously texting or otherwise distracted). The problem is I have drop handle bars and mounting a mirror is nearly impossible. I did find a mirror which plugged into the handlebar end. It was a bit too small, it was parabolic to provide a wide angle so the images in it were too tiny to make out, and my sweat would pour all over it so it was always smudged up and nearly useless. One day my leg bumped and knocked it out of the socket and it went flying down the road. I didn't bother to turn around and go pick it up. I just didn't find it all that useful.
On mirrors: I acquired a mirror after being hit from behind by a car about four months ago. In that case I was claiming the lane and the driver simply was not looking where they were going (obviously texting or otherwise distracted). The problem is I have drop handle bars and mounting a mirror is nearly impossible. I did find a mirror which plugged into the handlebar end. It was a bit too small, it was parabolic to provide a wide angle so the images in it were too tiny to make out, and my sweat would pour all over it so it was always smudged up and nearly useless. One day my leg bumped and knocked it out of the socket and it went flying down the road. I didn't bother to turn around and go pick it up. I just didn't find it all that useful.
#38
Not that you were wrong at all, but my philosophy is if I am riding the white line and a car passes me within even six inches, I'm fine with it. I believe that if one rides with confidence, like you're supposed to be there (not that you weren't), this gives the driver a sense that YOU know what you're doing and a close pass isn't that big of a deal. After all, we ballyhoo endlessly about how much of a right we have to be in the road, this is part of it. I do agree though that there can be 'too close' and that you experienced one of these times.
That being said, as a driver I always, always, ALWAYS slow down if I must in order to take the next lane over when passing a cyclist.
That being said, as a driver I always, always, ALWAYS slow down if I must in order to take the next lane over when passing a cyclist.
#39
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Not that you were wrong at all, but my philosophy is if I am riding the white line and a car passes me within even six inches, I'm fine with it. I believe that if one rides with confidence, like you're supposed to be there (not that you weren't), this gives the driver a sense that YOU know what you're doing and a close pass isn't that big of a deal. After all, we ballyhoo endlessly about how much of a right we have to be in the road, this is part of it. I do agree though that there can be 'too close' and that you experienced one of these times.
That being said, as a driver I always, always, ALWAYS slow down if I must in order to take the next lane over when passing a cyclist.
That being said, as a driver I always, always, ALWAYS slow down if I must in order to take the next lane over when passing a cyclist.
#40
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unfortunately not all states have this law.
I for one, wish that California would adopt this law.
i.e. a few years ago I was hit by a driver who drove over the white line (fog line), and struck me with the collapsable mirror on their mini van, while adjusting the window with their dog in the passenger seat, while kids yelling in the back, etc...
luckily, I was not injured! as crazy as that is. I was riding up hill (less than 5mph) and way into the shoulder of the road, the driver passed by so fast (about 45mph), when the mirror struck my elbow, it knocked me off my bike. I dialed 911, and it took forever for the cops to show up. This was on HWY 68 in Pacific Grove, Ca. The CHP showed up, along with the Sheriff. Now the crazy part about California Law, is that... its not against the law to hit people with a car.
if the 3ft law were to be adopted, then there'd be a legislative body in place.
its when people sue for damages/pain and suffering that hitting someone with a car becomes an issue.
typically when people get hit by drivers loosing control of their vehicle, people get hurt... however... in my instance, I was lucky.
now days, I often use a Go Pro Hero cam, and my Garmin 705 is my primary bike computer, therefor able to that much more accurately document just about anything.
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Sometimes I feel like I should ride like I am drunk and swerve left to right within a certain margin. I am sure people would do their best to avoid me then.
Otherwise, great letter. It sounds like they will take it seriously. The owner of the company is a cyclist also and knows the hassles that come with it.
Otherwise, great letter. It sounds like they will take it seriously. The owner of the company is a cyclist also and knows the hassles that come with it.
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From: Fairfax, VA commuting to Washington DC
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That means as far to the right as you need to be in order to be safe, avoid debris, etc. This is likely spelled out in the law...
Once the oncoming traffic is clear I move right and wave the car around me and usually get a friendly wave or honk once they realize I saved them from a close call (or worse).
Once the oncoming traffic is clear I move right and wave the car around me and usually get a friendly wave or honk once they realize I saved them from a close call (or worse).
And folks in Texas must be way nicer than folks here -- I can't envision the friendly wave from 90% of drivers here even if you do keep them out of worse trouble.
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But, I'm glad you received such a positive and personal response.


