Waiting for red light to change etiquette
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Yes.
I adopt your strategy if out in the country-side. Like you were alluding to, it is harder to re-claim that real-estate and end up in the right position on the opposite side of the intersection when traffic is tightly packed as one expect in a city. This "out of traffic flow" or traffic speed differential is a reason why a few studies show "red-light jumpers" and advanced green cyclists are among the safer options mostly because the cyclist is out of the intersection before the traffic and right-hand turners really get rolling.
I adopt your strategy if out in the country-side. Like you were alluding to, it is harder to re-claim that real-estate and end up in the right position on the opposite side of the intersection when traffic is tightly packed as one expect in a city. This "out of traffic flow" or traffic speed differential is a reason why a few studies show "red-light jumpers" and advanced green cyclists are among the safer options mostly because the cyclist is out of the intersection before the traffic and right-hand turners really get rolling.
I have no idea what advanced green cycling is.
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I stay put typically. If I know its going to be a long light, I will go to the right as much as possible to allow them to move, but as another poster stated, by moving left I might give another driver the wrong impression.
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Agreed. I have very mixed feelings about the red-light jumping, I would love to do it because it saves time but it seems to give us as a group a bad name. I've jumped my fair share of lights but in my city the lights are very poorly timed and Its not a bad option in a car.
I have no idea what advanced green cycling is.
I have no idea what advanced green cycling is.
It's too dangerous to jump red lights in a car. I won't jump reds in a car, but maybe on a bicycle. Cars are a lot slower off the line and less nimble if you need to avoid a pedestrian. Plus there is generally no reason to jump a red in a car. Let me clarify what jumping a red means: When all lights are red or solid amber and red and no traffic is clearing the intersection then you very quickly start to cross to the other side before traffic behind you moves(beware oncoming advanced green left-turn intersections). Anyways, why not jump reds in a car? Generally speaking the motorist behind you won't attempt to pass, rear-end or side-swipe you at the other side of the intersection - this however is a risk on a bicycle as motorists respond in a Pavlovian manner when their green-light comes on and you're left in lurch.
By jumping red lights, men are less likely to be caught in a lorry driver’s blind spot. Cyclists may wait at the lights just in front of a lorry, not realising that they are difficult to see.
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Edit: i should add, jumping every red is not what i'm putting forward - only jumping reds at intersections where you're at risk.
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why would be expected to follow the rules of the road if I'm not afforded the same rights of other drivers?
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