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Originally Posted by tarwheel
(Post 13032483)
I stay in the right tire path most of the time, but not so close to the edge that I am riding in the debris line that collects on the side of the road. According to NC state law, cyclists are supposed to ride as far to the right as reasonably possible. That is the law, and I assume that a cyclist could be ticketed for blocking an entire lane -- plus, I think it needlessly ticks off motorists and slows traffic. I will take more of the lane when prudent for safety reasons, such as passing parked cars (where someone might door me) or riding through intersections (so someone won't right-hook me).
• Passing another vehicle moving in the same direction [§20-146(a)(1)] • Avoiding a dangerous obstruction [§20-146(a)(2)] • Riding on a one-way street [§20-146(a)(4)] • Preparing for a left turn. [§20-146(e)] Bicyclists are not required to ride on adjacent bicycle paths There is a considerable difference between the meaning of the words "possible" and "practicable" Much of the reason for taking the lane is to increase visibility. This can be accomplished better by other means -- wearing bright jerseys, using bright tail-lights all the time. Taking the lane, as others have said, can also be used to prevent a driver going past you when there is oncoming traffic, or other vehicles coming past in the next lane. You will undoubtedly annoy drivers who may be briefly held up because here isn't room to overtake, but many of them will be irritated simply because you're cycling on "their road". |
Originally Posted by atbman
(Post 13035442)
It will have the effect of increasing your visibility, simply by reason of being directly in the driver's eyeline. But its main purpose is to oblige the driver to move well out to overtake you. Most will, if required to pull out, move well out, whereas, even if you're wearing hi-viz clothing and bright tail lights but are riding well to the right. many will barely flick the wheel to go round you.
Taking the lane, as others have said, can also be used to prevent a driver going past you when there is oncoming traffic, or other vehicles coming past in the next lane.". H BTW - AFAIK the Fog Strip is the white line itself. The area to the right of the fog strip is called the shoulder and it may be wide or narrow or non-existent. Fog strips themselves may be wide or narrow but are usually 3" to 5" wide and take somef concentration to ride on. But IMO a road cyclist is not complete without the ability to hold a steady line for hundreds of feet at a time. Best practice is to look well down the road, not at your front wheel and relax. |
Originally Posted by r_kangaroo
(Post 13031217)
When I'm not approaching an intersection, I generally ride about 5 feet from the sidewalk, technically in "the lane", but cars can get around me with minimal effort.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 13034825)
There just isn't a large body of evidence showing that this is in fact how any cyclists are killed or injured. Just about all of you drive. How many times have you tried to pass something when "there wasn't enough room"? What you really mean to say is: "What if you get taken out because there was room enough to pass when they started to overtake but you choked and left your line and got whacked with a rear-view mirror."
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This is a section of road I ride for @ half a mile on my way home. It's a rural area but this particular road is pretty busy during the rush-hour evening time. If I rode the far right line, quite often cars would try to pass me while other oncoming vehicles were approaching at the same time on the other side. It was all just way too close for comfort and the dirt area has tons of glass. It's about the only place I "take the lane" on my commute, as fortunately the rest of the ride has very good bike lanes.
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I ride as far to the right as practicable, which I define as being as far to the left as necessary for my safety. That particular point varies depending on road conditions.
On the part of my commute where there is a wide shoulder, to the right of the fog line, that is where I am. On the part of my commute where the shoulder is non-existent (on a portion of my commute there is no shoulder, just 2 travel lanes and a 6 inch high curb) I ride in the right lane, right wheel track. When I need to turn left, as I approach the intersection, I check traffic, signal if necessary, then get in to the left lane, right tire track. On the two lane (rural) portion of my commute, my road position varies depending on the surface conditions, pot holes, cracked asphalt, glass etc. There is a portion of my commute where I am almost on the yellow line because of road surface conditions. I also tend to ride a little more to the left on the fast downhill sections of my commute. When making a left on a rural road, as I approach the intersection, I go from the right wheel track to the left tire track. I believe that taking the lane makes me more visible, and also signals that the driver needs to execute a proper pass as opposed to trying to squeeze by me in the same lane. I would recommend the LAB Traffic 101 class for the OP. |
Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 13035710)
There is nothing you have actually done, by taking the lane, to force a car to pass far away. They pass as close or far as they feel like.
Up until this point most of the discussion has focused on motorists overtaking cyclists. But using the full lane offers several other benefits to cyclist safety. Sight lines are much improved when you ride in the lane. You will often be able to see drivers sooner (and they you) than you would when you hide yourself away in the gutter. (think intersections and driveways, but it doesn't end there) Dangerous infringements on your right of way (like left crosses or pull outs) are also less likely when you are positioned where traffic normally drives, instead of off to the side where people normally wait for right of way. +1 on taking the LAB traffic 101 course. Pedal On! :) |
Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
(Post 13037336)
Of course the above statement is correct, (bolding mine) but most experienced cyclists have found that lane position does in fact influence drivers, and usually for the better.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
(Post 13035710)
BTW - AFAIK the Fog Strip is the white line itself. The area to the right of the fog strip is called the shoulder and it may be wide or narrow or non-existent. Fog strips themselves may be wide or narrow but are usually 3" to 5" wide and take somef concentration to ride on.
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Originally Posted by atbman
(Post 13035442)
The actual wording of the legislation in the NCDOT "Bicyclists and the Law" publication says: "Also, the bicyclist must travel in the right-hand lane and should ride as close as practicable to the right-hand edge of the highway. [§20-146(a)] .
http://humantransport.org/bicycledri...e_critique.pdf Fortunately, NCDOT is no longer printing it, and did re-release their StreetWise Cycling manual, which describes taking control of the lane to discourage unsafe close passing if the lane is narrow. There have been multiple threads about NC cyclists' right to use a full marked lane, versus the requirement to ride AFRAP when no lanes are marked, so I will reference one of them rather than repeat the discussion here. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...two-lane-roads Here is what the NCDOT Driver Handbook, page 95, says: Bicycle riding is an important means of transportation, particularly for traveling to and from work and school. Because bicycles are vehicles, bicyclists must obey the same traffic laws as other drivers. Bicyclists usually ride on the right side of the lane, but are entitled to use the full lane. Pass with Care A bicyclist staying to the right in their lane is accommodating following drivers by making it easier to see when it is safe to pass, and easier to execute the pass. Drivers wishing to pass a bicyclist may do so only when there is abundant clearance and no oncoming traffic is in the opposing lane. When passing a bicyclist, always remember the bicyclist is entitled to use of the full lane. |
Originally Posted by Surrealdeal
(Post 13033487)
Each to their own. Riders out in the lane when there is a 3' wide fog line drive me nuts when I am driving.
I know that we have the right to the lane. I'm just sayin. The lane offers no promises to be better and (here in MN at least) the lane is often in worse condition than the fog line. Also in a 3' wide fog line it's pretty easy to dodge a pothole or small debris. Your way works too. Personally I feel safer in the fog line unless there is a large object like a parked car or a horseback rider to avoid. For the rest of the streets and roads, someone noted that passing cars and trucks seemed to give as much room on the left of a cyclist as the cyclist takes from the right. If you ride 6" from the edge of the road, traffic seems to give you 6". (Unnerving.) If you ride 18" out from parked cars, they'll pass 18" from you. Take 3 feet, they'll give you 3 feet. It has worked that way for me with very few exceptions. |
Originally Posted by megalowmatt
(Post 13035890)
This is a section of road I ride for @ half a mile on my way home. It's a rural area but this particular road is pretty busy during the rush-hour evening time. If I rode the far right line, quite often cars would try to pass me while other oncoming vehicles were approaching at the same time on the other side. It was all just way too close for comfort and the dirt area has tons of glass. It's about the only place I "take the lane" on my commute, as fortunately the rest of the ride has very good bike lanes.
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I take the lane when I can keep up with the traffic or when I need to turn left. Otherwise I stay to the right.
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