DataJunkie

I miss my aquariums. I had a tang tank, a loach tank, a south american cichlid tank, and a few others.
I also keep cats and dogs. Cats are pretty much carnivorous and dogs are omnivores. Though I refuse to feed the dogs raw meat since one develops interesting side effects. They get a lamb \ chicken dog food.

pallen

https://www.vegancats.com/

AlmostTrick

After almost 4 decades of fish keeping I am down to one tank (75 gallons) and about a dozen fish. My fish seem to live forever… I haven’t gotten any new ones for almost 10 years now. The oldest guy is a Lochata Botia, and only a tad over 3 inches long but closing in on 20 years old!

Not mine, but he looks like this...

AlmostTrick

Of course I would eat my friend in order to survive if it came down to that. But unfortunately the catsup would be long gone!

TurbineBlade

Ahh yoyo loach! The common name comes from the appearance of the word "yoyo" on the flank of the fish. Loaches are awesome.

derailing threads is a lot of fun really. I sold my 125 gallon when I moved to the DC area. Man, I'm getting another one some day.

alan s 

Vegetarian fish are cool. Discuss. Now we are back on track.

TurbineBlade

Yep, my african mbuna cichlids were algae scrapers. Great vegetarian species.

scroca

I rode past a lot of cows this weekend. Man was I glad they couldn't read what's on my saddle.

Seattle Forrest

Sounds like a girl I used to date...

AlmostTrick

In keeping with the topics, do vegetarian fish prefer Brooks? Discuss

Seattle Forrest

For the record, if you were going to divide life on our planet into two groups, it would be the Eukaryota and Prokaryota.



To the second part of your question, animals depend on plants far more than plants depend on animals. Plants do the work of translating sunlight into biologically necessary energy. This underlies pretty much the whole of the food chain.

imi

I think, finally, we have reached agreement... we all survive on sunlight!

mconlonx

Thick enough to ride a hard leather saddle, anyway...

TurbineBlade

Plants existed for millions of years before animals -- and thus have absolutely no "need" of them in the general sense.

The reverse is not true.

Since animals, many plants have obviously evolved ways to survive using animals....and also have developed many physical and chemical means of keeping animals the **** away from them.

Vegans sitll exploit single-celled organisms like yeast though (leavened bread). It's horrible to think about. The yeast would probably prefer to not be consumed if given the choice.

BattleRabbit

I think sunlight would prefer not to be consumed by us as energy as well. I for one am going to abstain.

imi

yeah, go crawl back into your hole!

BattleRabbit

I gave up, it was dark in there!

boatrider

This is all funny to me, and my personal observation is, if you won't kill it, gut it, and clean it, you shouldn't eat it. At least once. Visit a feed lot. Check out bacon while it's alive. Have fun in the Chicken Farm. Pet the Veal. I think all meat is delicious, but once I saw how it hit my plate, I wasn't as flip. There is too big of a disconnect between you all and your Big Mac. I'm dissappointed, but not surprised, by the comments here. I'm not vegan, vegetarian, etc, I just think people don't understand where meat, etc, comes from, and that makes me sad. Stick a knife into a living thing, kill it, then make jokes. I'm guessing there aren't too many hunters here, but lots of meat eaters?

AlmostTrick

Agreed.

The killing is just the final step of raising animals for food. Much worse is the conditions they live in and the techniques used to lower costs and maximize profits. Most meat eaters know little about the details of all this, and like it that way. As such, the industry is careful to keep it under cover as much as possible.

As a long time vegetarian who would prefer to not kill any animal, I actually applaud those who hunt for their own meat. Not only are they getting a more healthy product, but the animals get to live a natural life.

Digital_Cowboy

I agree, PeTA is so full of **** it isn't funny. Who do they really think that they're winning over with throwing paint on people who wear fur? Who do they think that they're winning over with going to dog (and other types of) shows and releasing the animals into the "wild?" Or going to research labs and releasing those animals to the "wild?" I also have to laugh at their "logic" that animals are "better dead, then kept as pets."

One gal I used to know had a beautiful Dalmatian that she feed a vegetarian/vegan diet to.

The biggest problem that I have with PeTA is the way that they go "undercover" into farms and whatnot and video the day-to-day operations and when they can't get enough evidence to "prove" wrong doing they'll edit their footage to make it look like there is something wrong. And they usually end up making it difficult for those agencies that are actually tasked with investigating animal cruelty that much harder. And they wonder why they get investigated as a terrorist organization.

Digital_Cowboy

That they are.

One of the sad things is that a lot of people who claim to "care about all animals," don't understand hunting is actually good for wildlife. As it is more humane to thin a heard out with a quick and painless (or as painless as possible) death then to allow them to die a slow and painful death of starvation.

Digital_Cowboy

Uh, again I have to ask, isn't being a vegan and owning pets incompatible?

Digital_Cowboy

Of course, and anyone who says that they wouldn't are lying.

imi

uh, I'll try again... If you're a vegan because you don't want to EAT animals or animal produce then you may be fine with pets.
Then there are those that extend that to not wearing leather and wool etc
or keep pets
or ride horses

it's not a clear cut definition...

Why do omnivores that keep pets not eat them?

Digital_Cowboy

lol