Is a seat post a seat post?
#1
Thread Starter
Fail Boat crewman
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: PDX
Bikes: Reynolds 853 Jamis Quest 1990s
Is a seat post a seat post?
I have a Ritchey WCS Comp set back at the moment. I want to ditch that for a non-setback.
Carbon is not for me. Aluminum is all over the board as far as price, but I want to keep the weight low. My current seat post is approximately 258 grams. I am looking at a Woodman EL which is around 150 grams and costs about a dollar a gram.
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
Should I just get a cheap seat post and suck up the additional weight for the cheaper price or should I just replace the dang thing with what I want and forget the cost?
The other thing that I am weighing is that if I get a different bike I can swap parts for parts.
Carbon is not for me. Aluminum is all over the board as far as price, but I want to keep the weight low. My current seat post is approximately 258 grams. I am looking at a Woodman EL which is around 150 grams and costs about a dollar a gram.
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
Should I just get a cheap seat post and suck up the additional weight for the cheaper price or should I just replace the dang thing with what I want and forget the cost?
The other thing that I am weighing is that if I get a different bike I can swap parts for parts.
#2
For commuting? As long as it fits and you like the look, don't worry about it. It's not like you're in the velodrome.
Also, what do you mean by "longevity for a seat post is mute"? (I think you mean "moot", not "mute", but that's not what I'm asking about).
Also, what do you mean by "longevity for a seat post is mute"? (I think you mean "moot", not "mute", but that's not what I'm asking about).
#4
xtrajack
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,058
Likes: 0
From: Maine
Bikes: Kona fire mountain/xtracycle,Univega landrover fs,Nishiki custom sport Ross professional super gran tour Schwinn Mesa (future Xtracycle donor bike)
Sometimes a seatpost is just a seatpost, sometimes it is an air pump.
#5
Thread Starter
Fail Boat crewman
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: PDX
Bikes: Reynolds 853 Jamis Quest 1990s
Mute - unrecognized and or undiscovered.
Moot would work, but I was going for the above.
Carbon seatpost on a steel frame nope. Carbon just adds added expense where aluminum can do the same job with similar weight for less.
I like the pump idea. Except you would have to reset the post after you removed it.
Why steel over AL?
Moot would work, but I was going for the above.
Carbon seatpost on a steel frame nope. Carbon just adds added expense where aluminum can do the same job with similar weight for less.
I like the pump idea. Except you would have to reset the post after you removed it.
Why steel over AL?
#8
xtrajack
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,058
Likes: 0
From: Maine
Bikes: Kona fire mountain/xtracycle,Univega landrover fs,Nishiki custom sport Ross professional super gran tour Schwinn Mesa (future Xtracycle donor bike)
Mute - unrecognized and or undiscovered.
Moot would work, but I was going for the above.
Carbon seatpost on a steel frame nope. Carbon just adds added expense where aluminum can do the same job with similar weight for less.
I like the pump idea. Except you would have to reset the post after you removed it.
Why steel over AL?
Moot would work, but I was going for the above.
Carbon seatpost on a steel frame nope. Carbon just adds added expense where aluminum can do the same job with similar weight for less.
I like the pump idea. Except you would have to reset the post after you removed it.
Why steel over AL?
#9
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,681
Likes: 253
From: Minnesota
Bikes: N+1=5
Fizik Cyrano. They are AL, but very light. I've gone to them on all my bikes, even my CF road bike. I didn't have good luck with CF seat posts. They tend to slip unless you use that goop. AL, no problem. The Cyranos are the easiest to adjust fore and after and tilt of any seat post I've seen.
J.
J.
#10
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,486
Likes: 1
From: PNW - Victoria, BC
Bikes: 2002 Litespeed Vortex - 2007 Trek Madone 5.9 - 2004 Redline Conquest Pro - Specialized S-Works Festina Team Model - 93 Cannondale M 800 Beast of the East
#11
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,365
Likes: 125
#12
No one carries the DogBoy

Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 2
From: Upper Midwest USA
Bikes: Roubaix Expert Di2, Jamis Renegade, Surly Disc Trucker, Cervelo P2, CoMotion Tandem
My answer is that if it fits you, meaning gives you the position you desire, its a fine seatpost. Now I want to nitpick because this is the internet! 
Where did you get your definition of mute?

World English Dictionary
mute (mjuːt)
adj
1. not giving out sound or speech; silent
2. unable to speak; dumb
3. unspoken or unexpressed: mute dislike
4. law(of a person arraigned on indictment) refusing to answer a charge
5. phonetics another word for plosive
6. (of a letter in a word) silent
n
7. a person who is unable to speak
8. law a person who refuses to plead when arraigned on indictment for an offence
9. any of various devices used to soften the tone of stringed or brass instruments
10. phonetics a plosive consonant; stop
11. a silent letter
12. an actor in a dumb show
13. a hired mourner at a funeral
vb
14. to reduce the volume of (a musical instrument) by means of a mute, soft pedal, etc
15. to subdue the strength of (a colour, tone, lighting, etc)
mute (mjuːt)
adj
1. not giving out sound or speech; silent
2. unable to speak; dumb
3. unspoken or unexpressed: mute dislike
4. law(of a person arraigned on indictment) refusing to answer a charge
5. phonetics another word for plosive
6. (of a letter in a word) silent
n
7. a person who is unable to speak
8. law a person who refuses to plead when arraigned on indictment for an offence
9. any of various devices used to soften the tone of stringed or brass instruments
10. phonetics a plosive consonant; stop
11. a silent letter
12. an actor in a dumb show
13. a hired mourner at a funeral
vb
14. to reduce the volume of (a musical instrument) by means of a mute, soft pedal, etc
15. to subdue the strength of (a colour, tone, lighting, etc)
#13
Thread Starter
Fail Boat crewman
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: PDX
Bikes: Reynolds 853 Jamis Quest 1990s
m-w.com
1mute adj \ˈmyüt\
mut·ermut·est
Definition of MUTE
1
: unable to speak : lacking the power of speech
2
: characterized by absence of speech: as
a : felt or experienced but not expressed <touched her hand in mute sympathy>
b : refusing to plead directly or stand trial <the prisoner stands mute>
3
: remaining silent, undiscovered, or unrecognized
4
a : contributing nothing to the pronunciation of a word <the b in plumb is mute>
b : contributing to the pronunciation of a word but not representing the nucleus of a syllable <the e in mate is mute>
How many dictionaries are there in the world??
I do not mind the nitpick.
1mute adj \ˈmyüt\
mut·ermut·est
Definition of MUTE
1
: unable to speak : lacking the power of speech
2
: characterized by absence of speech: as
a : felt or experienced but not expressed <touched her hand in mute sympathy>
b : refusing to plead directly or stand trial <the prisoner stands mute>
3
: remaining silent, undiscovered, or unrecognized
4
a : contributing nothing to the pronunciation of a word <the b in plumb is mute>
b : contributing to the pronunciation of a word but not representing the nucleus of a syllable <the e in mate is mute>
How many dictionaries are there in the world??
I do not mind the nitpick.
#14
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,681
Likes: 253
From: Minnesota
Bikes: N+1=5
I thought I'd contribute this:
moot |mo͞ot| adjective
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision:
verb (usu. be mooted)
raise (a question or topic) for discussion; suggest (an idea or possibility):
noun
1 Brit. an assembly held for debate, esp. in Anglo-Saxon and medieval times.
2 Law a mock trial set up to examine a hypothetical case as an academic exercise.
usage: Note that a question subject to debate or dispute is a moot point, not a mute point. As moot is a relatively uncommon word, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as the more familar word mute .
So, the proper usage would have been "moot" except for the fact that I think you meant that reliability was NOT debatable as opposed to debatable (hence "moot"). You probably wanted to say:
moot |mo͞ot| adjective
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision:
verb (usu. be mooted)
raise (a question or topic) for discussion; suggest (an idea or possibility):
noun
1 Brit. an assembly held for debate, esp. in Anglo-Saxon and medieval times.
2 Law a mock trial set up to examine a hypothetical case as an academic exercise.
usage: Note that a question subject to debate or dispute is a moot point, not a mute point. As moot is a relatively uncommon word, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as the more familar word mute .
So, the proper usage would have been "moot" except for the fact that I think you meant that reliability was NOT debatable as opposed to debatable (hence "moot"). You probably wanted to say:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is NOT mute.
#16
Plays in traffic
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 6,971
Likes: 15
From: Rochester, NY
Bikes: 1996 Litespeed Classic, 2006 Trek Portland, 2013 Ribble Winter/Audax, 2016 Giant Talon 4
All my bikes--and my one behind--demand them.
#17
Thread Starter
Fail Boat crewman
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: PDX
Bikes: Reynolds 853 Jamis Quest 1990s
Actually I meant what I said:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
Back to the OP:
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
Back to the OP:
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
#18
No one carries the DogBoy

Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,320
Likes: 2
From: Upper Midwest USA
Bikes: Roubaix Expert Di2, Jamis Renegade, Surly Disc Trucker, Cervelo P2, CoMotion Tandem
Actually I meant what I said:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
Back to the OP:
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
#20
Senior Member

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,954
Likes: 387
From: NE Indiana
Bikes: 2020 Masi Giramondo 700c; 2013 Lynskey Peloton; 1992 Giant Rincon; 1989 Dawes needs parts; 1985 Trek 660; 1985 Fuji Club; 1984 Schwinn Voyager; 1984 Miyata 612; 1977 Raleigh Competition GS
There is no simply the best, to say one brand is better then any other is just pure ignorance. Any top manufacture brand is good. I've never in over 40 years of riding had a seat post fail, and I have a lot of different brands, and I still have quite a few that are over 25 years old and still going strong. Just buy a seat post on looks and setback or time trial use if needed. The saddle rails determine how much forward and rearward distance you can move the saddle, not the seat post. And weight of a seat post is not a big deal unless you buy a cheap Walmart all steel unit; so don't buy a seat post because it's the lightest, also consider if the post is the lightest and most expensive it may not last as long due to using lightweight components that are subject to failure due to stress, so personally I would stay away from those. But any seat post in the middle price range will be more then adequate for anyone even Clydesdales!
#21
Thread Starter
Fail Boat crewman
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 675
Likes: 0
From: PDX
Bikes: Reynolds 853 Jamis Quest 1990s
Weight, material, and name brand. Woodman is a UK brand and probably has less of a market share than Thompson. Thompson probably has a better name recognition and more market share. The can charge more.
@lostarchitect - 1mis·use verb \-ˈyüz\
Definition of MISUSE
transitive verb
1
: to use incorrectly : misapply <misused his talents>
2
: abuse, mistreat <misused his servants>
I may have abused the sentence, but I did not use the word incorrectly.
@lostarchitect - 1mis·use verb \-ˈyüz\
Definition of MISUSE
transitive verb
1
: to use incorrectly : misapply <misused his talents>
2
: abuse, mistreat <misused his servants>
I may have abused the sentence, but I did not use the word incorrectly.
#22
A quality seat posts can be purchased for far less money and even the most economical ones tend to be tough enough for normal purposes although they are also heavier... which means you are getting more grams for your money.
#23
Mad bike riding scientist




Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 29,139
Likes: 6,196
From: Denver, CO
Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones
You'd be guessing wrong. Since a seatpost is a short length of material with a small diameter, aluminum is going to be less stiff than steel. Aluminum has a lower modulus of elasticity (springiness) than steel. It's only when you increase the diameter of an aluminum tube do you start to get stiffness. If you increased the diameter of a steel tube, the stiffness would increase too. In fact, if a steel frame used the same diameter tubes as an aluminum bike, steel wouldn't feel as cushy.
__________________
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
#24
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,681
Likes: 253
From: Minnesota
Bikes: N+1=5
Actually I meant what I said:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
Back to the OP:
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is mute.
as in:
I guess I figure that if I am replacing something I should replace it with something that will weigh less because longevity for a seat post is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
ergo - No one really knows how long an AL/Steel/TI seatpost will last. Which is why longevity is undiscovered/unrecognized/silent.
I agree that either word could be used and one may be more appropriate than another.
Back to the OP:
Thompson Masterpiece: 158g for $150
Fizik Cyrano: 221g for $125
Woodman: 144g for $135
Seems like all things being equal the Woodman wins out. I like the Fizik because I can turn it around for a TT position, but I do not TT or see myself TTing. The Thompson is nice, but the Woodman is both cheaper and lighter and both are AL. Granted the Woodman uses a carbon cradle and Thompson does not.
Food for thought I guess.
I have a legal background and in my field moot and mute are common words.
Also, from the last time I looked at seat posts, make sure you are looking at the same length post - they are often all over the map. If you are worried about weights, that matters to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. If you are *really* worried about weight, you can buy the longest one and figure out the max height line and transfer it after you cut off the excess. WHen I wen through that last year, I was really quite surprised how there was such a small difference in weight between them.
J.




