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Old 09-23-15, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RidingMatthew View Post
I believe my wife is going to order one of these for my birthday which is coming up soon.

I like that. I may save up for the long sleeved version.



I generally change as soon as I get anywhere (there is a shower room at work) so my chain marks are quickly hidden.
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Wearing a backpack pretty negates any benefits of this kind of jersey.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Wearing a backpack pretty negates any benefits of this kind of jersey.
Yes, you are largely right (there is always the arms though),
and I wear a backpack very often, but not always, and my
backpacks are fairly small.

(I find that children's backpacks, with their shorter verticle height,
allow for greater flexibility in head movement. Adults backpacks come
up high on my shoulders and bump into my helmet, preventing me from
craning my head up in the drops. So I have three primary school student
backpacks with silly characters on the back. "How cute" people say!)

I did research high visibility backpacks too. I purchased one of these
quicksilver high visibility back packs

but it is too big for day to day use and gets in the way of my helmet in
the way described above. I generally use it only when I travel abroad as
an inflight bag, or very occasionally when I have a lot of luggage on
my bike. It is very high visibility, has lots of pockets, is well made and
may be suitable to some. It seems to be called a "Bright Neon Green
Backpack"

If anyone knows some high visibility backpacks then please recommend
those too.

But then, maybe not since, as I say above, it needs to be for children,
so as not to be too tall, and have a lot of pockets.

I am thinking to sew 3M scotchlite "silver worth more than gold"
reflective tape to my children's back packs.

This is for kids and would do height wise but does not have side
pockets like the ones I am using.
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/pr...uctId=32580196

This,though for adults, is quite short and fairly high visibility.
AirBac Neon Mesh Backpack - Women's Activewear | Buckle


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Old 09-24-15, 06:54 AM
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I ride with panniers
Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Wearing a backpack pretty negates any benefits of this kind of jersey.
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Old 09-24-15, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RidingMatthew View Post
I ride with panniers
Wild! Thank you. I had not thought of panniers.
There are high visibility panniers by Lomo
#t=39and Ortlieb
and even high visibilty panners, that reduce drag!
http://www.angletechcycles.com/asset...s/techwind.htm
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I like these View the Back-Roller High Visibility (pair) at http://www.ortliebusa.com
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Panniers give you another surface on which to put on either more illumination or reflective materials. I was having a hard time trying to put on reflective material one of my road bikes without a rack or fenders. In this case, your options are limited to your own clothing.
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Bike panniers are made to be used on a bike... ... there isn't a pannier made that doesn't already come with as much reflective material and/or hi-viz coloration as the designers thought practical. You should be asking yourself why you feel the need to add yet more reflective material to a pannier you paid good money for.

There is also this... the cyclist who goes to panniers because a backpack is obscuring 3ft/sq of hi-viz cycling jersey has now solved that problem! The jersey is up high where it has the advantage of that height. Do the panniers also NEED to be hi-viz and reflective? Probably not. But most are. Out of the box. If that isn't enough the problem is not with the panniers.
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Originally Posted by RidingMatthew View Post
Those are the panniers I have. Easy to attach to a rack and detach.

The inside pocket on one of them developed a hole though.
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the 'Put Ins'? zips and pockets, Inside along the back stiffener ? they're repairable or you can buy new ones.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
the 'Put Ins'? zips and pockets, Inside along the back stiffener ? they're repairable or you can buy new ones.
No, it's just the pocket that comes inside the pannier that's part of a flap, with another pocket that can be closed with a zipper. You're right, I could just sew the hole shut. I'm not good at sewing, so I'll just use a ridiculous amount of stitching to secure it.

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Keep in mind that the bright colors really make no difference in the dark. What you need at night is reflective stuff or active lights. I pay a lot of attention to the visibility of cyclists I see at night. The bright yellow is still not highly reflective though some garments do have reflective tapes or threads and those are good, but just bright yellow, not good.

The highly reflective stuff -- Scotchlight strips, and other similar reflective bits -- are great. They're good if they're high, I have reflective tape on my helmet, and they're good if they move. I have it also on crank arms and the inside of rims. Inside of rims is a pretty decent spot. More visible from a car than you might think, and moves a lot. Don't put it all the way around the rim, just in a few spots. The rotation is eye-catching.
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Lovely Bicycle had a post a few days ago about reflective wool yarn for knitting.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Bike panniers are made to be used on a bike... ... there isn't a pannier made that doesn't already come with as much reflective material and/or hi-viz coloration as the designers thought practical. You should be asking yourself why you feel the need to add yet more reflective material to a pannier you paid good money for.

There is also this... the cyclist who goes to panniers because a backpack is obscuring 3ft/sq of hi-viz cycling jersey has now solved that problem! The jersey is up high where it has the advantage of that height. Do the panniers also NEED to be hi-viz and reflective? Probably not. But most are. Out of the box. If that isn't enough the problem is not with the panniers.
Maybe so, but when it comes to my safety and motorists' ability to see me I tend to think you can never have enough. Besides, the one that I own has a single, thin stripe on the back. Hardly sufficient, IMO.
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Originally Posted by RidingMatthew View Post

They are the ones reviewed in the second (rather amusing) video. I like the look of them but I would like aero

There is a thread (or many) on aero paniers
http://www.bikeforums.net/touring/55...ring-bags.html

One of the ones mentioned on the thread above are cargo cache out of El Paso Texas, and they appear to come in yellow



Other cheap high visibility wear includes the following from China at about $20

Aliexpress.com : Buy ROCKBROS Cycling Rain Jacket 2015 Tour de France Waterproof Long Sleeve Mountain Road Bike Bicycle Jersey Clothing Sports Suit from Reliable bike wagon suppliers on Alics Co.,Ltd | Alibaba Group


And these high visibility carbon soled shoes at about $100. They also have nylon soled high visibility shoes at about $65.


$100 is quite cheap for a pair of carbon soled shoes but I am not sure I am ready to spend $100 on a Chinese brand. I have seen the name Santic about. Hithertoo I had only seen Tiebao shoes from China and only bought their spd sl cleats (which last about half as long as Shimano, making them about the same price!)

But as @mcours2006 and @Leisesturm say, I do think panniers are the way to go. I had wanted a way of making my bike more areo and some panniers do. I would take the weight off my back, where my backpack also has drag. And I could make them both fluorescent and reflective and also light up. And my high visibilty jersey would be visible. A very win ^7 sitation.

For the time being I only know of Cargo Cache (who may have gone bust) and ZZipper Tailwind descended AngleTech Techwind.

I like the look of the techwind lime green to match my pants (photos from this blog)




They are $334 plus postage so I may have to save up for a while.

As a start I have bid on a yellow seatpost rack.


I think that I am not going to be able to get some of those at I guess about 400 shipped to Japan. So I will consider inserting plastic into something like tthese to make them more aero.
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I got one of these last winter:



It's a Sugoi Zap jacket -- low invisibility yellow in daylight but covered in reflective dots. The lighting has to be just right to get the effect shown here, but it turns out that "just right" is a cyclist in a low light area with headlights shining on him from a distance.

It's hard to say how well things like this work, but after seeing a few local cyclists with a jacket like this I made a point of going out and finding one because it's a very striking effect -- like seeing a disembodied torso floating down the road.
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That looks like the same idea Illuminite uses.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I got one of these last winter:



It's a Sugoi Zap jacket -- low invisibility yellow in daylight but covered in reflective dots. The lighting has to be just right to get the effect shown here, but it turns out that "just right" is a cyclist in a low light area with headlights shining on him from a distance.

It's hard to say how well things like this work, but after seeing a few local cyclists with a jacket like this I made a point of going out and finding one because it's a very striking effect -- like seeing a disembodied torso floating down the road.
Cool! Thanks. They have a video too.

Despite the fact that "Sugoi" is a Japanese word meaning "amazing" they hail from Canada. Which also shows their overshoes which are pretty amazing, but black at the back.
These neoprene (wet suit material) overshoes look bright, reflective and robust.


While I really want some Techwind, 400 plus is more than twice I paid for the Quicksliver above mentioned, and about the price of some carbon clinchers. So I am thinking of using 100 yen shop stuff to make some panniers of my own, and cover them in reflective (and high visibility) material

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I don't claim to have the knowledge or wisdom to quantify it, but I can see there's a point where high-viz becomes a rubber crutch.
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I don't claim to have the knowledge or wisdom to quantify it, but I can see there's a point where high-viz becomes a rubber crutch.
I use the term "low invisibility" to remind myself that this is not going to magically make drivers see me.

Even so, my thinking is that if the gear that you're going to use is available in a really bright color, why wouldn't you choose that. For instance, I can't imagine why the Sugoi Zap jacket I pictured above is available in black or red (but it is). I chose this jacket for its reflective properties. The selection of the bright yellow version was a secondary choice but an obvious one.
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I wear Mapei team kit from head to toe on every ride ( no night riding for me ) . I have yet to have one close call on the road over the years .
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I use the term "low invisibility" to remind myself that this is not going to magically make drivers see me.

Even so, my thinking is that if the gear that you're going to use is available in a really bright color, why wouldn't you choose that. For instance, I can't imagine why the Sugoi Zap jacket I pictured above is available in black or red (but it is). I chose this jacket for its reflective properties. The selection of the bright yellow version was a secondary choice but an obvious one.
Quoted from the Sugoi website: "Best of all, Zap only reveals its hidden power when struck by artificial light, allowing color and style to play the lead role in the daytime." As I understand it, all the Zap colors... including black, when iluminated by artificial light will fluoresce and be 'non invisible'. I get that diapers are available in neon yellow/green these days but I for one am pleased that not every single item of clothing that a human being can wear, even sportswear, is available only in neon green/yellow.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I use the term "low invisibility" to remind myself that this is not going to magically make drivers see me.

Even so, my thinking is that if the gear that you're going to use is available in a really bright color, why wouldn't you choose that. For instance, I can't imagine why the Sugoi Zap jacket I pictured above is available in black or red (but it is). I chose this jacket for its reflective properties. The selection of the bright yellow version was a secondary choice but an obvious one.
The Illumunite website says they use black around the retroreflective bits to increase the contrast and make the retroreflective parts appear brighter. The Illuminite jacket I have uses black sleeves and cape area with the retroreflective bits and it does look better in the dark than it does during the day.
They don't make my jacket anymore, but it looks a lot like this one. http://www.illuminite.com/collections/men/products/portland-mens-reflective-softshell-jacket-flo-lime-graphite-roma You can move the cursor over the picture to see what I'm referring to.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
Quoted from the Sugoi website: "Best of all, Zap only reveals its hidden power when struck by artificial light, allowing color and style to play the lead role in the daytime." As I understand it, all the Zap colors... including black, when iluminated by artificial light will fluoresce and be 'non invisible'.
Sure, they all work the same in artificial light. What I'm saying is, if safety is going to be a primary concern at night, why would style "play the lead role" in the daytime?
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Originally Posted by timtak View Post
So I am thinking of using 100 yen shop stuff to make some panniers of my own, and cover them in reflective (and high visibility) material

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Or you could use some Tidy Cat buckets and put some SOLAS tape on them.
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