sirtirithon

I want to buy some fast reliable commuter tires for my new Salsa Fargo 2 and the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes look to be great, but on the Schwalbe website they dont list a 29" tire. They have a 28x2.0 listed, is this the same? I found a 29x2.0 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme listed on Amazon.com(ships from Niagra Cycleworks). Im skeptical to pull the pin on those given the fact Schwalbes site does not specifically list such a size in the line. Im itching to order some commuter tires ASAP can anyone explain the size issue for me! Thanks!!

IK_biker

They do list them as 700c size.
As do all distributors and retailers.

I have a set 700 x 35, very decent tires.

NWS Alpine

I was looking at the same tires but they didn't have the new ones in stock. I ended up going with some continental sport contact 700x37c. They have been awesome.

Look at the ETRTO size and anything with XX-622 is a 700 or 29er tires.

canyoneagle

I just got a set of these for my new build. They are 700x50. A "29er" uses a 700c rim (622 bead).
Universal Cycles has them in stock if you are looking for available tires. https://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...8&category=196

I've ridden the Big Apple 2.35's, which are an absolute hoot, but are not nearly as good on flat prevention (based on the design differences). My experience with the Big Apples has been very good overall, but I've had 4 flats on them since June. I'll see how the Supreme 700x50's hold up by comparison.
What I do know is that I love the ride quality of my Marathon Supreme 700x32, and have not had a flat on them in 1500 miles.

Burton

Suggest you e-mail them directly. I have been running those 28x2" Schwalbe Marathon Supremes for the past year or so and thats the largest size they come in. I'd be tempted to dismiss the 29er thing as a typo but the weight is also incorrect. So write and get a confirmation in writing on exactly what they have up for sale.

sirtirithon

Thanks guys! The manafacturers part number that these retailers are listing claiming the 29x2.0 size is actually the 28x2.0 size on Schwalbes website. Looks like im going to go with the 700c x 50 size or go with another tire.

Burton

LOL You might find ANOTHER tire, but I don't think you'll find a BETTER tire!

HardyWeinberg

It's worth making sure that a 28" Schwalbe really is 622mm and not 635

Hot Rod Lincoln

I was going to say that. Schwalbes are awesome!

canyoneagle

I just mounted mine today. I ordered the "29x2.0" / 700x50 from universal. The Schwalbe packaging said 28"x2.0". I think it is inherently confusing, but be assured that these tires fit a 700 rim.
FWIW, my rear rim is a Salsa Gordo (35mm) rim and I measured the overall width of the mounted tire at 60psi to be 48mm. My front tire is mounted on a Velocity Dyad rim (24mm I believe) and the measured casing width (at 60psi) is 44mm.

I can't wait to ride these. They look like they will be fantastic tires for my needs, and given my love for the 32mm version, I anticipate a similar experience with the fatties. It will be interesting to put some miles on these and get a sense for the puncture protection vs. the 32's

Burton

The PSI range marked on that tire is 30 to 70 PSI and if inflated to maximum pressure (70PSI) each tire will have a load rating of 135 kg (297lbs)per tire. Thats probably overkill for your uses For a 165 lb rider the recommended inflation pressure is 45 PSI.

A 10% pressure increase is recommended for every 20kg (22 lbs). That would be 50 PSI for a 190 lb rider and 55 PSI for a 215 lb rider. Are you sure you really need 60 PSI? There's absolutely no advantage to overinflating these tires. It won't make them 'faster'.

HardyWeinberg

Where do you get that from?

Andy_K 

They're terrible. I had a pair and this little thing gave me a flat.







Seriously though, that was my only flat in 1500 miles of use before selling the bike they were on. I haven't used the 32's, but the 700x50's are pretty cool tires.

canyoneagle

Yep, I'm very aware of such things, but thanks for the reminder. I don't get too exacting with pressures and kind of go with what feels right for me. I tend to err on the higher side than the lower side, and rarely get near the max pressure (I used to always go right to the max when I raced, though. Continental 130psi tubulars O.o ). Of course, this was 25 years ago, before I knew that the rolling resistance would have actually been LOWER at 105 psi.
I'm 6'2+ and 195 lbs bare naked, and ride with another 15 lbs or so in my panniers, so about 210 lbs plus bike weight and clothing. So, I guess I'm 5psi off
Since these are brand new, I will ride them at 60psi and probably drop the pressure 5psi at a time until I find the best pressure for my needs. I anticipate 50-55psi to be my final pressure.

canyoneagle

LOL Andy!

sirtirithon

I ordered the 28x2.0 Supremes! I crossed the manafacturers part number ovrr to Schwalbes site and they have the 622 bead. This is the tire most places are marketing as the "29er" supreme, because it is. Way to confuse us new guys, Schwalbe! Regardless, i cant wait to roll on these tires! Thanks for the help guys!

canyoneagle

Awesome! Nice to have another person on these to get some "in the field" feedback going. I know I'll be posting my impressions once I get rolling on them. I'll be doing my build on Tuesday (frame arrives tomorrow, taking the day off work Tuesday), so will be rolling on Wednesday.

On the whole sizing confusion thing, I would personally prefer sizing to be standardized by bead diameter (622 for a "700c"/"29er", etc) to keep things to a quantifiable common denominator.

Grats on the new Schwalbes!

enigmaT120

I get the impression that 29er is a marketing term for 700C sized mountain bike tires. The Supremes will have a noticeably smaller diameter than the Fargo's original knobbies. I didn't measure either one, but the Supremes will just fit under my buses' tire holder arm, whereas the original 29er tires mostly wouldn't and I just pushed the arm up the tire as far as I could. My bike never did fall off the bus rack.

Burton

That info is pretty much spelt out in the technical support documentation on the Schealbe website.

Personal experience? I'm about 160lbs and have run those tires as low as 30 PSI when running on crushed gravel and limestone bike paths and expected to see some major drag issues on paved roads as a result. What surprised me was that there was probably a difference, but it was so negligable that I couldn't personally pick it out. I guess you'd have to measure it in a lab or over an extended distance, but IMO that kind of thing would only be omportant to someone doing competition.