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degnaw 07-11-12 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 14465706)
Where did you live for 400 USD? Lappis? Good parties and some nice swimming there.

Yup.

acidfast7 07-11-12 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by degnaw (Post 14466710)
Yup.

5000SEK is a good price with your own bath. also, I wouldn't consider Lappis a suburb ... it's not central stockholm, but you also don't need the pendeltåg to get there :) it's more like student housing than anything else

dwellman 07-11-12 09:44 AM

Stop lights Yes. Absolutely.

Stop signs. . . eh. . . I will if there's cars around otherwise. . . I slow down as much as I can without falling over.

old's'cool 07-11-12 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 14460904)
After living in Stockholm and Montréal, I can firmly say that Montréal is quite the craphole compared to Stockholm in terms of quality of housing, transport and overall quality of life ... crime "statistics" be damned.

You better smile when you talk that way about my birthplace ;)

wisaunders 07-11-12 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 14461347)
on a bike:

stop sign = yield sign

stop light = stop sign

My thoughts as well

Zaneluke 07-11-12 04:15 PM

I always stop at red lights. My commute in to work is nice because it is 5am and all the lights are flashing yellow. :)

various styles 07-11-12 06:29 PM

No we ride like this. lol

mcrow 07-11-12 06:53 PM

Couriers are crazy, but I think I trust them more than the average joe on there bike just because they do this all day every day.

Leisesturm 07-15-12 01:29 AM


Originally Posted by supernovae (Post 14461713)
I stop at red lights, all of them. If its a triggered light, i usually ride over to cross walk and hit the button or else i'll be there forever. At stop signs, i track stand, but look.

I get annoyed as hell when i see people plow through red lights on the route i ride, 3 lane high way isn't the safest road to blow through lights on when the speeds can be as high as 65+

Being a wannabee bossy mom to all the ninja cyclists in your neighborhood is going to give you a coronary. Wouldn't that be ironic?

H

Airburst 07-15-12 03:57 AM

Where I live in southern England, most cyclists (myself included) obey red lights, although not all of them do. I can't really say anything about stop signs, there aren't very many of them around here, and I can't recall ever having seen a cyclist go past one.

Trifusion 07-15-12 03:55 PM

Funny thing is when I do stop cars will always give me a wave for right of way even if they should have right of way and then when they come by me they give me lots of space. I call it 'bike karma' and it works nearly every time. Do the right thing and you'll be paid back in full and more!

nelson249 07-15-12 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 14461347)
on a bike:

stop sign = yield sign

stop light = stop sign

Pretty much my view Dan.

SkippyX 07-15-12 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Trifusion (Post 14484571)
Funny thing is when I do stop cars will always give me a wave for right of way even if they should have right of way and then when they come by me they give me lots of space. I call it 'bike karma' and it works nearly every time. Do the right thing and you'll be paid back in full and more!

Agreed.

When I am stopped and waiting for a traffic signal I invariably look behind me to see if the car behind me is trying to make a right turn. If he/she is and seems to be holding off out of fear of causing me injury, I always move out of their way and motion for them to go ahead and make the right.

I don't know if karma is real or not - but it doesn't hurt to be nice where I can be.

009jim 07-15-12 09:21 PM

In some countries it is legal to go through a red light if you are turning right. Applies to all vehicles.

BikinPotter 07-15-12 09:25 PM

Stop light, always. Stop sign...a rolling stop if there are no cars. If there's a car going my same direction I do a full stop, just like the car does. Don't like to make cyclists look bad.

BadBoy10 07-15-12 09:52 PM

I try to obey. I look three and four times.

However, if I am at a stop light and via mirror see or "hear" a car speeding towards me approaching the stop light--- I get the hell out of the way.

Two years ago, I was quite proud of my mastery of road riding. Then one day my fragile bubble burst. As I waited in the far right lane (for the light to turn green)--- a police officer approached in a marked squad car, blew his "horn", turned on the sirens and did the microphone/intercom thingamajig at me. That intercom thing was LOUD. He yelled, "GET OUT OF THE WAY! NOW!"

He was very aggressive and kept blowing his horn/siren. I was quite embarrassed. He scared the crap out of me. The looks on the faces of the drivers was one of horror. I felt like crying. It was very intimidating. Did I say I was embarrased? He was literally right on my back wheel.



I refuse to bicker with drivers. Its whatever. I get out of the way quickly.

CB HI 07-15-12 10:04 PM

^^^
You should have reported the jerk cop. Their boss hate it when they illegally use their sirens.

BadBoy10 07-15-12 10:14 PM

In Florida, law enforcement car tints are kinda dark.
I remember the noise. I couldn't understand why he was so close and SOOO loud. I thought perhaps I was blocking a fire engine, or ambulance but it was only him: honking and yelling on the intercom.

Some people in a Lexus SUV were in the middle lane and the lady passenger's face I will never forget--she looked completely horrified and scared. He scared the beejeebies out of me. I have also been followed. Another very unsettling feeling.

I have come to realize: some people's greatest pleasure is provoking fear in others.

JCFlack 07-16-12 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by supernovae (Post 14461713)
I stop at red lights, all of them. If its a triggered light, i usually ride over to cross walk and hit the button or else i'll be there forever. At stop signs, i track stand, but look.

I get annoyed as hell when i see people plow through red lights on the route i ride, 3 lane high way isn't the safest road to blow through lights on when the speeds can be as high as 65+

I'm with you - how can we expect car drivers to respect us as vehicles with equal rights to the road, if we don't obey the laws at least as much as they do. Not that cars always obey traffic lights, but there are days when I think I'm the only person on a bike who stops at red lights.

Novakane 07-18-12 10:11 AM

If I don't see any cars, I slow down at stop signs to the point where I could stop quite shortly if need be, then scan all directions and will roll through if there's no other traffic.
Basically treating it like a yield.
Naturally, if there are other vehicles at or approaching the intersection, I stop and wait my turn to go through - not only is this the law, it's just safer that way.

+1 on the comment that drivers will sometimes wave you through because you're acting sensible and predictable.

I always stop at red lights.
I narrowly avoided getting completely taken out by a car about 13 years ago by not doing so, and I decided to not push my luck and never make that same mistake again.

DTSCDS 07-18-12 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Novakane (Post 14497370)
If I don't see any cars, I slow down at stop signs to the point where I could stop quite shortly if need be, then scan all directions and will roll through if there's no other traffic.
Basically treating it like a yield.
Naturally, if there are other vehicles at or approaching the intersection, I stop and wait my turn to go through - not only is this the law, it's just safer that way.

+1 on the comment that drivers will sometimes wave you through because you're acting sensible and predictable.

I always stop at red lights.
I narrowly avoided getting completely taken out by a car about 13 years ago by not doing so, and I decided to not push my luck and never make that same mistake again.

^^^^^

This is my policy.
I am really bothered by bikes rolling through red lights. I am in complete agreeance that we need to treat ourselves like a vehicle if we want others to treat us like a vehicle. In Dallas a couple of months ago there was a hipster on a SS that blew through a red light. One of the news outlets had a couple of folks commenting on how dangerous it is to ride in Dallas. Really? Blowing through a red light and getting T-Boned is an example of how dangerous it is?

Kind of like teenagers who want to be treated like an adult when it comes to adult privileges but treated like a kid when it comes to adult responsibilities. Which is it, are we a vehicle or not?

Leisesturm 07-19-12 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by DTSCDS (Post 14497996)
^^^^^

This is my policy.
I am really bothered by bikes rolling through red lights. I am in complete agreeance that we need to treat ourselves like a vehicle if we want others to treat us like a vehicle. In Dallas a couple of months ago there was a hipster on a SS that blew through a red light. One of the news outlets had a couple of folks commenting on how dangerous it is to ride in Dallas. Really? Blowing through a red light and getting T-Boned is an example of how dangerous it is?

Kind of like teenagers who want to be treated like an adult when it comes to adult privileges but treated like a kid when it comes to adult responsibilities. Which is it, are we a vehicle or not?

Personally, I don't want to be treated like a vehicle. Only in the deepest recesses of the politicians brain could one decide that a 45lb bicyle with an overweight American with undiagnosed coronary disease is the functional equivalent of an American in a droop snout Kenilworth. Tell me, in your city, as you are tooling down the boulevard on your Specialized Cirrus, if the trip calls for a left turn at the intersection up ahead, can you signal left and merge over to the left turn lane, trip the left turn signal and proceed? Will traffic behind you lose their minds and speed up to cut you off in your attempts to merge left? Still think you are a vehicle? At best you are some sort of super ped. Kind of like a paraplegic in a power wheelchair. Are they vehicles?

The vast majority of cyclists mainly drive for transportation and cycle for recreation. As drivers it irks you to see bicyclists getting away with something. As a cyclist you feel guilty when you even think about rolling through that intersection. I am not in the slightest risk of getting T-boned when I blow through a red light because I wouldn't be blowing the red if there was cross traffic to T-bone me. Its the disapproval of the stopped traffic going in the same direction that the goody-two-shoes are afraid of. I wonder why. As soon as they get the green and catch up and pass the cyclist that has them so hot and bothered s/he is forgotten. Utterly. On to the next thing.

Despite the immense horsepower advantage of a car over a bicycle, the realities of infrastructure limits most cars to an average of 17mph. I can average 15mph some days commuting like a bicycle. Other days its closer to 12mph. The difference is usually wind. Most cars are not affected one way or the other by wind. Driven like a car my average speed on a bicyle would be closer to 5mph to 8mph and I would be better off jogging my 7.5mi. commute. People who can get in cars with speed potentials of 100mph and accept a 17mph average as acceptable won't have too much sympathy if a cyclist gives up 2/3 of their potential top speed to behaving well on the road. But I'm not going to be shamed into it. Sorry.

H

HardyWeinberg 07-19-12 01:07 PM

Every few months I think a light has missed me so I go through when I can. More frequently, but not too frequently, if I'm going along the top of a T I might roll through it.

Stop signs are definitely roll-throughs.

The last couple of days my daughter and I rode through a street closed for construction; on the sidewalk (not closed) during work hours, and just on the not-dug-up part of the street when they left it closed after work rather than put that metal plate back over the hole.

oldskoolwrench 07-19-12 02:17 PM

The way 5-0 has been here lately, I don't want to risk a citation by blowing a Red.

Burton 07-20-12 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by BadBoy10 (Post 14485803)
I try to obey. I look three and four times.

However, if I am at a stop light and via mirror see or "hear" a car speeding towards me approaching the stop light--- I get the hell out of the way.

Tywo years ago, I was quite proud of my mastery of road riding. Then one day my fragile bubble burst. As I waited in the far right lane (for the light to turn green)--- a police officer approached in a marked squad car, blew his "horn", turned on the sirens and did the microphone/intercom thingamajig at me. That intercom thing was LOUD. He yelled, "GET OUT OF THE WAY! NOW!"

He was very aggressive and kept blowing his horn/siren. I was quite embarrassed. He scared the crap out of me. The looks on the faces of the drivers was one of horror. I felt like crying. It was very intimidating. Did I say I was embarrased? He was literally right on my back wheel.



I refuse to bicker with drivers. Its whatever. I get out of the way quickly.

So whats your point? The officers in the car were responding to a call they just recieved and you were blocking their way. They would have done the same thing if you were driving a motorcycle, car or semi-trailer.

Last time I checked motorists were expected to give priority to emergency vehicles - fire trucks, ambulances and police cars with lights and sirens. Why should bicycles be an exception?


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