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Old 07-22-12 | 01:00 AM
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There's a dude that I encounter over and over again on my commute, and when I'm on training rides in the mornings on weekends. Head down, no lights or bright clothing (early in the morning we have lots of thick fog on the coast so this means I don't often see him until we're less than 10 yards away from each other.) Hammering on in the middle of the bike lane going the wrong way, and even when he sees people he doesn't swerve at all. Sadly, there's not much traffic at this time of the day so the problem likely won't solve itself.

I just bought an airzound after the last near miss with this jackass this morning. We'll see if that gives him a clue.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:06 AM
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Have you mentioned to him that he's doing it wrong? I get the feeling that many people don't realize that there are rules to follow when cycling, they just assume that since they are not a car that they are a pedestrian and do whatever they feel like without realized that its wrong.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:11 AM
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No, he's gone too fast - the only thing I'd have time to say if I saw him early enough would be some variant of "wrong way, moron!" And our bikelanes have the pictures with the arrows every hundred feet or so. If he can't figure those out...
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:14 AM
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No, he's gone too fast - the only thing I'd have time to say if I saw him early enough would be some variant of "wrong way, moron!" And our bikelanes have the pictures with the arrows every hundred feet or so. If he can't figure those out...
Catch up with him and talk with him. Then if he doesnt agree or change, his loss, not yours.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:15 AM
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It will be my loss if he hits me one of these days - we've had very near misses that were only misses thanks to my agility.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:19 AM
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turn around and catch up with him. Listen bro, you cant change the world. All you can do is try to educate.
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Where abouts on the Oregon coast if you dont mind me asking? I used to work in Astoria and Cannon beach.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:20 AM
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Next time he passes, drop six firecrackers!
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:21 AM
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Central coast - and I'm a 5' female. No way am I going to go chase down a 6' dude who clearly has no problem with hurting other people. I'll call the cops on him first, but I don't think that will have much effect.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by kookaburra1701
Central coast - and I'm a 5' female. No way am I going to go chase down a 6' dude who clearly has no problem with hurting other people. I'll call the cops on him first, but I don't think that will have much effect.
Calling the police is a great idea!
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:27 AM
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lol they'd probably just tell me to use the sidewalk. Trying couldn't hurt tho.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:35 AM
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No, he's gone too fast - the only thing I'd have time to say if I saw him early enough would be some variant of "wrong way, moron!" And our bikelanes have the pictures with the arrows every hundred feet or so. If he can't figure those out...
I bet that even if he noticed the bikelane pictures with its arrows he probably doesn't know what they mean. Trust me there are some pretty dense people out there and if things aren't spelled out to the letter many won't get it.

Well if calling the police doesn't work you could always manage to drop some thumb tacks behind you when you seem him about to pass you....... j/k
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:41 AM
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Central coast - and I'm a 5' female. No way am I going to go chase down a 6' dude who clearly has no problem with hurting other people. I'll call the cops on him first, but I don't think that will have much effect.
I still take the education approach. When your riding with a buddy, that might be best to go in a pair. Just because you are female and small and this is a large guy doesnt mean much to be frank. You might gain respect by doing so.

Cops wont do much.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:44 AM
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I bet that even if he noticed the bikelane pictures with its arrows he probably doesn't know what they mean. Trust me there are some pretty dense people out there and if things aren't spelled out to the letter many won't get it.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:45 AM
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I still take the education approach. When your riding with a buddy, that might be best to go in a pair. Just because you are female and small and this is a large guy doesnt mean much to be frank. You might gain respect by doing so.

Cops wont do much.
Or I might gain a black eye and a stalker. I've been down that road before, not going there again.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:48 AM
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Or I might gain a black eye and a stalker. I've been down that road before, not going there again.
Then you will need to change your riding position down in that area. There are four ways to solve this issue:

1- Educate
2- Call the police (waste of time really)
3- Change your riding positioning in that area
4- Change your route.

To be frank, when I see this, I give them room. Some cases, I turn around and talk with them. At the end of the day, the only person I am responsible for and can control are myself and my actions.

If you are concerned, there are your four options.
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Old 07-22-12 | 01:54 AM
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That's the problem I don't have options. This happens near my apartment, on the only road I can use to get to it. Any other route would require trespassing on private property and whacking through brush for a quarter mile, carrying my bicycle. The route goes along a 5-lane highway with a high speedlimit and lots of tractor trailers. The bike lane is wide, and I'm visible enough with my lights, hi-viz jacket, et al. for him to see me well in advance but he still chooses to try and buzz me off the road into the culvert. I can't see him coming because of the fog and dark clothing he wears.
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Old 07-22-12 | 05:22 AM
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There's always the chance the other rider is mentally handicapped - in which case talking to them may not help. There are a few 'special needs' customers that drop by the store from time to time and dealing with tgem can be a challenge. However, if thats the case then the police will likely contact whoever is responsible - for THEIR safety - not yours. Some things in life can be pretty dumb.
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Old 07-22-12 | 07:32 AM
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Have you mentioned to him that he's doing it wrong? I get the feeling that many people don't realize that there are rules to follow when cycling, they just assume that since they are not a car that they are a pedestrian and do whatever they feel like without realized that its wrong.
I remember being taught at a very early age that it was safer to ride facing traffic. A lesson that I now know is very wrong. Sadly, most salmon are not bad people, they are just misinformed, and this particular piece of misinformation is pretty widespread.

I had a situation like this once. It was when I was going down a long shallow grade, and this guy was coming the opposite direction. This was a work commute so is happened daily, at about the same place everyday. This guy was stereotypical salmon for this area. Full suspension Wally, jeans, heavy boots, Pendleton shirt, five foot tall, probably Oaxaco or Michoacano. Several times I would point to him, then to the other side of the street and shout "otra lado bue!", or "estas pelegroso". He would just shake his head, and point me to the other side.

About a week later here he comes up the hill, on the right side of the street, and gives me a sheepish smile. I figure someone whose Spanish is better than my pocho speak educated him.
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Old 07-22-12 | 07:46 AM
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I guess, being that you know he's "out there" middle lane, etc...
I'd probably stick to not being middle lane during my commute.
you could use a bright a bright blinkie up front (maybe he'd see you)... and maybe he'd choose to not crash into you.

if its a universal issue and a true danger, the issue will self correct itself.
meaning to say, if its a true issue, its just a matter of time before they get crash into someone.

you could file a police report. at least its on record, and possibly a thereputic venting.
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Old 07-22-12 | 09:16 AM
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I've got two blinkies up front, blinkies in the back, blinkies on my wheels...a few times he hasn't been looking at me, but most of the time he's staring while aiming straight at me and hammering away...my usual bike lane position is closer to the right, since I'm either commuting (slow) or warming up or cooling down from my workout on this stretch of highway (slow again) and I like to give people coming up from behind room to pass. It doesn't seem to matter, he buzzes by so close I get hit with the flapping straps from his backpack sometimes. Anyways, once I get the airzound hopefully he'll give me a little more room.
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Old 07-22-12 | 09:22 AM
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With the attitude you are presenting here, Salmon might not be whole the problem
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Old 07-22-12 | 09:37 AM
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With the attitude you are presenting here, Salmon might not be whole the problem
I don't see any attitude she appears to be presenting to you....

What attitude are you talking about?
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Old 07-22-12 | 09:51 AM
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What attitude are you talking about?
Being annoyed with the behavior of someone that, despite taking every reasonable precaution and obeying all traffic laws I can't avoid who clearly has no regard for the safety of others and seems to enjoy using superior size to bully other road users, I guess. How very dare I.
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Old 07-22-12 | 10:48 AM
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I'm disgusted at those making excuses for these schmucks; it's their job to know the rules. Their riding style puts me in danger and I'm not interested in their rationalizations...an airzound sounds good to me...or a lance.
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