https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1132150


Basically says biker riders in CP, run over people, don't stop for red lights and ride too crazy.

Guess what I agree with alot of what is said. Police do need to ticket cyclist who run red lights.

What are you thoughts?

I can't get a ticket if they can't catch me!

Based on the number of injuries in the area, it sound like there's a real problem. Just curious though, around here cops wouldn't generally ticket anyone for going 3 mph over the speed limit, - whether they were on a bike, or in a car.

In fact I routinely ride down a street near the river that has a 25 mph speed limit and I'll hit 28 fairly often. There are pedestrians in the area but few crossings. Most of the peds on are on the path on the river side of the street. There's enough cars going through that nobody is going to cross without looking.

The cars aren't going any slower than I am.

2-3 MPH over the speed limit seems like a non-issue to me. Red lights and crosswalks are another story, but the video didn't seem to focus on that at all.

I've done 51 in a 35 before. Of course, the road was fairly straight and in the middle of nowhere.

The last sentence in the article needs to be expanded on. It is often the peds that are to blame in collisions. Easy to pick on the cyclists.

Kamikaze peds are one of the reasons I avoid separated paths...its safer among the cagers.

Thanks for posting this article. It’s definitely worth discussing.


(For those who aren’t familiar with Central Park, there are paved pedestrian paths throughout the park, but there are also internal automobile roads. The internal roads are marked for automobile traffic, mostly separated by a curb and a slightly lower grade from the rest of the park, and controlled by stop lights. The automobile roads comprise a six-mile loop of one-way road, with some further interior loops formed from this main loop by other road sections.)

I would bet significant money that the leading cause of bike-pedestrian collisions in the park is pedestrians walking out into the road without looking. It’s the worst down by 57, where there are more tourists and the horse carts and all that, but it happens throughout the park, I would say. On weekends in good weather, the pedestrians are completely out of control. (After all, even when roadways are closed to auto traffic, the interior automobile roads are not intended to be shared bike-pedestrian facilities, with pedestrians permitted to walk randomly all over the roads.)


Now, it is true that cyclists won’t stop at the lights, by and large. A lot of bikers won’t even yield to pedestrians when the biker faces a red light and pedestrians are aiming to cross * at the light *. I’ll give the Daily News that. So, maybe cyclists cause a significant number of collisions this way. Nevertheless, there’s no way this behavior is a greater danger than pedestrian negligence.


To put it another way, if pedestrians acted on city streets they way they do in the park, and being hit by cars are lot more than they already are, it would be obvious to everyone at the Daily News that jaywalking was at least a large part of the problem. So, the article is a bit breathless.

Tell them all to HTFU.

If you don't know NYC, you might not know that pedestrians step out in front of you without looking ALL THE TIME. I would be willing to bet that it was pedestrians that caused the majority of these accidents.

That, and they clocked a few cyclists between 25 and 30 mph? Who cares? did they clock any cars?

While I'd admit that people walking without looking is an issue, I face that all the time on the Brooklyn Bridge, and prospect park as well, we must admit to ourselves, that for the most part cars yield to peds, bikers don't. I just see too much reckless behavior that is crazy at times. Peds do have the right of way, that is the law.

I think there's just a culture of lawlessness when it comes to cyclists and pedestrians in NYC. With cyclists it's because we had to ride that way to survive in the past. With pedestrians it's because NYC is a pedestrian town. I don't think you'll ever get pedestrians to stop jaywalking, and frankly, I don't think I want to see that happen in NYC. It's kind of a part of who we are. So it's up to cyclists to accommodate pedestrians and start following the law.

If you want to race through the park, do it early when the pedestrians and tourists aren't around. Many of the road riders already do this, and it would be great of NYPD or the parks dept had officially sanctioned "road bike" hours in the park where they won't ticket red light running. This will of course never happen, but it would be nice.

I've build several bikes for guys who live in New York and ride Central Park regularly, and most wanted ultralight MTB frames with road doubles and close ratio cassettes and the fastest wheel $1200 would buy. Apparently is is quite the sport to treat Central Park as a paved single trank with movable "trees" and other obstacles. Kind of sounds like the Beach Bike Path between Santa Monica and Redondo Beach.

Our Monon Trail here in Indy shares many of the same hazards, and if you sit and watch the crossings like the ones in Carmel, you will be amazed at how some people on the trail actually speed up to block cars from passing in front of them whether they are on a bike or on foot.......

I won't ride either of those trails because of the chaos and complete lack or respect by so many people and I would endorse physical arrests and bicycle confiscations for serious offenders on both.

I disagree that "for the most part" cyclists don't yield. If that was true there would be far more crashes. Some cyclists are jerks, but "for the most part," I believe they yield to pedestrians. On the other hand, "for the most part" pedestrians jaywalk (which I have no problem with). The issue for me is those who jaywalk without looking, which seems to be a larger percentage than cyclists who don't yield.

"In a mere 35 minutes late Wednesday afternoon, Daily News reporters armed with speed guns caught 16 cyclists breaking the 25 mph speed limit. One was clocked at 30 mph."

ooooooooooo..... the big bad boogieman cyclists.


https://www.theblaze.com/stories/man-...peeding-video/

Some related information.

https://www.centralparknyc.org/visit/...le-riding.html

He made sure his face was visible in the rear view, too.

That is an awesome car.

The difference between me and the motorist in the video, is that even when I decide to do a "top end" run on my bicycle, motorists are still to passing me.

The arrested motorist learned that posting a video on that type of driving needs to be done where it's legal to do so, plus here's a video link to a guy who knows how to post a video of his car's performance without law enforcement having to issue an arrest warrant on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-y2mxYS6c

They don't just step out in front of bicycles. For some unknown reason they like to step off the sidewalk during red lights and start to inch towards traffic then dash or even walk slowly between oncoming cars. What happens is that they tend to look for 2 ton vehicles and don't see the bicyclist going at 20 mph.

NY Daily News. Not worth the paper the article is printed on. It's not the speed, it's the density. The Central Park loop is a great bike ride. It's more problematic especially on weekends when the loop is closed to traffic and there is a lot of foot traffic. A cyclist being careless going 15-20 mph is going to hurt just as much as 25+.

This guide is how you are to supposed to ride in the park. Fail to do that especially when it's a busy day and someone can get hurt whether or not you obey the speed limit. Peds have priority, but it would help if they didn't just step off into the loop road without looking. I've ridden the loop many times and even when you are being careful people who are walking totally absorbed in their own world can be unpredictable.

I'm confused, if the speed limit is 25 MPH but it is not posted, then how do people know they are breaking any laws? Since the Daily News didn't do a report regarding Motor Vehicle traffic are we to assume every one of them is following the 25 MPH speed limit as well?