ripped inner tubes
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ripped inner tubes
Someone school me please. I go through dry spells before I get flats but when I do it always comes in 4's or so and literally one after another.
like today I had one on the road, replaced it with a patched tube got to work and it goes flat but this one was easy valve stem was engraved into the wheel.
Replaced it with a bell flat resistant tube, couple hours later flat due to a tear near one of the seams where the tube would touch the rim tape, nothing protruding nor any objects/fragments found. Replaced that one with another fresh one after checking the tire/rim and giving it a scrub, flat again within hours. Maybe Im mounting them wrong somehow or they are getting pinch someway?
- once Im ready to put the tube back in I inflate until its a little round. Stem goes in first following the rest of the tube clockwise with my hands.
- I then rock the tire back and fourth with my hands to sit the tube, I even deflate completely, and inflate to about 7 psi and do the same thing.
- Once all in I inflate all the way.
When I get flats, I never seem to have a puncture, its always tears. Help me please.
like today I had one on the road, replaced it with a patched tube got to work and it goes flat but this one was easy valve stem was engraved into the wheel.
Replaced it with a bell flat resistant tube, couple hours later flat due to a tear near one of the seams where the tube would touch the rim tape, nothing protruding nor any objects/fragments found. Replaced that one with another fresh one after checking the tire/rim and giving it a scrub, flat again within hours. Maybe Im mounting them wrong somehow or they are getting pinch someway?
- once Im ready to put the tube back in I inflate until its a little round. Stem goes in first following the rest of the tube clockwise with my hands.
- I then rock the tire back and fourth with my hands to sit the tube, I even deflate completely, and inflate to about 7 psi and do the same thing.
- Once all in I inflate all the way.
When I get flats, I never seem to have a puncture, its always tears. Help me please.
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Yeah, I orderd some of amazon, Im literally limited to bell products here, unless I feel like paying 15-20$ for regular tubes that would normally cost 5$.
- I still dont get why tubes would rip like that inside the tire though, most of the time the bike is just sitting there.
- I still dont get why tubes would rip like that inside the tire though, most of the time the bike is just sitting there.
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Sounds like you might be under-sizing your tubes. The more they have to stretch, the more likely they are to tear, especially on/around the seams. So if you are having problems in that regard, you should always get the largest size that will fit your tire; e.g. a 1.5" tire should take a 1.5-1.75 tube. Avoid the thinnest tubes that are meant for racing, they are kinda delicate for commuting. Also, you might want to make sure your rim tape is seated perfectly, no sharp spots along the edge. It often helps too to apply some talc around the inside of the tire so that the tube can slide around as it inflates and not snag.
The best wheel I ever bought came with both Velox and a rubber strip wrapped around the well of the rim. The only flats I ever got on it were due to defective seams on Specialized tubes, they'd split in no time.
The best wheel I ever bought came with both Velox and a rubber strip wrapped around the well of the rim. The only flats I ever got on it were due to defective seams on Specialized tubes, they'd split in no time.
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Dont think Im under-sizing the tubes, I have a 26 x 2.1 and the tubes go from 2.0 and up. The rim tape is still "glued" on, farily new though so I dont see/feel any part moving. I cant get my hands on talc but would baby powder work?
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Perhaps it might work, yes. Folks on tours do that all the time.
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Sounds like you might be under-sizing your tubes. The more they have to stretch, the more likely they are to tear, especially on/around the seams. So if you are having problems in that regard, you should always get the largest size that will fit your tire; e.g. a 1.5" tire should take a 1.5-1.75 tube. Avoid the thinnest tubes that are meant for racing, they are kinda delicate for commuting. Also, you might want to make sure your rim tape is seated perfectly, no sharp spots along the edge. It often helps too to apply some talc around the inside of the tire so that the tube can slide around as it inflates and not snag.
The best wheel I ever bought came with both Velox and a rubber strip wrapped around the well of the rim. The only flats I ever got on it were due to defective seams on Specialized tubes, they'd split in no time.
The best wheel I ever bought came with both Velox and a rubber strip wrapped around the well of the rim. The only flats I ever got on it were due to defective seams on Specialized tubes, they'd split in no time.
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I think you might squeeze/pinch the tube between the rim and the tire when you put the tire back on the wheel. It happened to me last year and it took me a few tubes before I understood what was wrong
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I am wondering if your damaging the tubes during installation? It is relatively easy to weaken a tube if your rough in the install. Also do you check the inside of your tire by running your bare hand/fingers along the inside to make sure you remove any debris?
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Hope this helps, brother.
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thx guys, I dont really rush my install, I am careful about it especially since I keep getting these kind of tears. I do run my fingers on both the rim and tire as well as a good ol wipe wth a cloth or something just to see if I "shake" something lose. Im hoping the babypowder or I just bought a faulty tube. So far it seems like I have to replace 2-3 tubes (same brand, same method) until I get lucky and it does not tear.
-andychrist the valve tear was my first. The other tears are never in the same place, at least so far wth 6 different tubes.
-NS1 yes its always the rear lol.
FYI the tubes im using are bell brand. My kenda tube (original) also tore after a few hundred miles, same thing it didnt tear while on the road but rather when its just sitting in my living room.
-andychrist the valve tear was my first. The other tears are never in the same place, at least so far wth 6 different tubes.
-NS1 yes its always the rear lol.
FYI the tubes im using are bell brand. My kenda tube (original) also tore after a few hundred miles, same thing it didnt tear while on the road but rather when its just sitting in my living room.
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I've had it happen occasionally with tubes I purchased at Walmart. A Walmart tube also had a defective Presta valve, the first time it's happened to me. Since then, I've refrained from purchasing tubes at Walmart despite the fact that they are about $1.00 less then what I can get from Amazon and $2.00 less than my LBS.
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- once Im ready to put the tube back in I inflate until its a little round. Stem goes in first following the rest of the tube clockwise with my hands.
- I then rock the tire back and fourth with my hands to sit the tube, I even deflate completely, and inflate to about 7 psi and do the same thing.
- Once all in I inflate all the way.
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If it is higher somewhere, that is likely to bulge more. The tube can slip out between the rim and the tire, and pop.
That happened to me a few times, before I caught on. Most often it was after I pumped up the tires but wasn't going for a ride.
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You have to be careful to make sure the bead of the tire is seated properly in the rim. Most tires have a witness line that should be even around the tire, the same distance above the rim.
If it is higher somewhere, that is likely to bulge more. The tube can slip out between the rim and the tire, and pop.
That happened to me a few times, before I caught on. Most often it was after I pumped up the tires but wasn't going for a ride.
If it is higher somewhere, that is likely to bulge more. The tube can slip out between the rim and the tire, and pop.
That happened to me a few times, before I caught on. Most often it was after I pumped up the tires but wasn't going for a ride.
This is what im thinking I may be messing up. Well Im going to have to wait until the next series of flats to practice lol.
I also noticed today that one of the tubes I used was from an old tire which is 1.9. my current tire is 2.1. the 1.9 tire had a 50psi max while the 2.1 I go up to 60psi. Maybe thats the reason it pop on me? I also remember reading quite a few posts saying any tube made for 26 wheel or 700 wheel will fit, as long as it wasnt a fraction tube type.
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Chances are though if your tire is not seated correctly it will be ever so slightly eccentric, causing you to feel a little bump with each rotation. This will be more noticeable the faster you roll.
Have no idea about fractional versus decimal tubes but Bell is just about the worst you can get. I'd stay away from any tubes that say made in China at this point, AFAIK the most reliable tubes are from Taiwan. Also if you took the tube out of an older tire, it could have been already damaged. The difference in psi is negligible, neither 50 nor 60 is very high pressure these days.
Hope you have better luck in the future, bro.
Have no idea about fractional versus decimal tubes but Bell is just about the worst you can get. I'd stay away from any tubes that say made in China at this point, AFAIK the most reliable tubes are from Taiwan. Also if you took the tube out of an older tire, it could have been already damaged. The difference in psi is negligible, neither 50 nor 60 is very high pressure these days.
Hope you have better luck in the future, bro.
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People never want to "get it" until they hit rock bottom.
Tubes are tubes. a 3.00 bell tube is going to be 90% as functional as a 12.00, thorn proof AcME or whoever-the-chinese-stamp-on-it tube.
Bicycle tube and tire technology is still rooted squarely in the 60's. The only way to alter the percentages of flats vs no-flats
is to suck it up and spring for the Gators; or Schwalbes. Really. Just do it
Tubes are tubes. a 3.00 bell tube is going to be 90% as functional as a 12.00, thorn proof AcME or whoever-the-chinese-stamp-on-it tube.
Bicycle tube and tire technology is still rooted squarely in the 60's. The only way to alter the percentages of flats vs no-flats
is to suck it up and spring for the Gators; or Schwalbes. Really. Just do it
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People never want to "get it" until they hit rock bottom.
Tubes are tubes. a 3.00 bell tube is going to be 90% as functional as a 12.00, thorn proof AcME or whoever-the-chinese-stamp-on-it tube.
Bicycle tube and tire technology is still rooted squarely in the 60's. The only way to alter the percentages of flats vs no-flats
is to suck it up and spring for the Gators; or Schwalbes. Really. Just do it
Tubes are tubes. a 3.00 bell tube is going to be 90% as functional as a 12.00, thorn proof AcME or whoever-the-chinese-stamp-on-it tube.
Bicycle tube and tire technology is still rooted squarely in the 60's. The only way to alter the percentages of flats vs no-flats
is to suck it up and spring for the Gators; or Schwalbes. Really. Just do it

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