agent pombero

That FORM bike is ugly imo.

Tri King

I have plenty of expreience jumping mtbs. I ride with a buddy of mine and ive riden at Steamboat, Red River, Big Cedar, Boulder.. Etc. Im not looming to learn, i already know how, but i want it to be able to be jumpedI had no clue that bike was 8 grand :/. I actually really liked it. Not anymore. And rock shoc will do the trick for me. I have had many good experiences with them. I dont necesarrily need shox. I would ideally like a rigid hybrid with flat bars (NOT BULLHORN or CURVED).Some of the bikes thatve been reccomended are great except for the fact they are fragile and couldnt he jumped. What bike resembles the 8k one that i posted?

Tri King

I like that bike.. I like single speeds. If it was fixed gear itd be amazing imo. But its not what imLooking for, at least for this purchase/build.

canyoneagle

Salsa Fargo - nice bikes, very versatile, but from what I've read, these really shine when fully loaded with gear. These are in the $1,500-2k range as pre-built bikes, or you can get a frame/fork for 500 bucks and build it up how you want.

Singular Gryphon (Available only as a frame/fork - you build it up the way you want). I ride one of these, and really like it. You can configure it just about any way you like (including single speed/fixed). The US distributor is HERE If memory serves, the frame/fork is about $700 then the build will be based on your budget and preferences. You could build one up pretty nice for a touch over $2k.

Here's a pic from the Singular website:




This actually raises the question - what is your budget?

mustang1

Here's a CX bike I bought a few months ago:
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=foc...,r:4,s:0,i:100

It might be something you like, or similar. I found the CX tires, surprisingly, punctured easily on roads so they were swapped out. IDK what it's like off-road, I think it would be ok considering I've taken my 25mm slick-tire'd road bike on trails (a bunch of fun for different reasons!).

Tri King

I like the Gryphon that similar to what i have in mind. With some Crow Bars or something similar, it would br pretty sick.

I dont have a precise budget, but under 2.5k is what im going for. Preferabley less. I was thinking more around 1200

WickedOne513

I am by no expect no bikes, I have read somewhere else in here that traditional road frames in particular higher end ones are designed for about 250lbs carry weight. But a cx frame has much the same geometry but built for more abuse, even though how would it handle jumps. I understand a lot of the force is absorbed in the tires and riders legs.

Tri King

The tires and riders legs do most of the absorbing, no-doubt. As long as you land properly, you wont damage the bike. Id even say that you could jump my carbon fiber road bike with no worries... If you land well. But the issue is you wont always land well and the bike is guna take abuse....

Id have no problem jumping a cx frame with so
Strong forks and not worrying about the bike.

Ps. A proper landing is a level, slightly leaning back landing, ideally on an incline but not necessarrily, where the back wheel hits the ground slightly before the front and the rider is leaning back.

WickedOne513

Kona bikes have been mentioned before, but thier cx bikes look really nice.

bikes direct has these if your looking for a different look
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/gravity/zilla.htm

Tri King

Yeah that bike is nice. Konas are pretty cleann.. It has everything im looking for but im not so sure about bent bars... Do you think it would impair my hopping ability?

cyccommute 

Easy there tiger. We don't know you or your abilities. Most people who come here ask all kinds of questions from the perspective of a newbie. Don't get your nose out of joint You are the one who brought up the Mamba and it's lack of hopping ability. If you are looking for a bike that you can jump...and not just do some curb hops and drops...then don't even consider a cyclocross bike. Cross bikes are glorified road bikes and really aren't made for the same abuse that a mountain bike can take. Doing a curb drop on one isn't all that hard nor taxing on the bike's abilities but if you start talking serious air time, look elsewhere.

If you want a bike that you can jump...again not just curb hops...I would suggest that you not go rigid. Unless you are really, really good at soft landings, a shock helps take some of the impact that the headtube experiences in jumping. BMX bikes, with their smaller frames, can take a lot of impact without too much trouble but once you start getting a larger frame, the forces involved start to break things...like frames. Even with a suspension fork, the forces involve can damage the bike.

I would suggest that you go the route that many of us go. Get multiple bikes to fit the conditions that you want to ride in. I know it seems expensive but if you buy a bike that isn't up to what you want to do with it and you break it, you'll end up paying twice anyway. I'd suggest that you buy a good high end used hardtail (stick with a 26er if you want to jump it) and ride the bejebbers out of it. Look for a cross or road bike while you ride the bejebbers out of the mountain bike. When you find one, ride the road bike when you want to go fast (and do little curb drops) and the mountain bike when you want to go big. The mountain bike can also be used on the road...it's not that slow...when you want to ride from trailhead to trailhead. If you can make the mountain bike go fast...speed on a bike is almost all about the engine...you'll make the road bike go that much faster.

Commodus

There are perhaps hundreds of bikes that fit your criteria. You need to add some more criteria if you are to get meaningful answers.

Tri King

Well i have a rigid specialized mtb

2 bmx bikes, both of which are my babies

a nice road bike, mostly carbon fiber

as a trek hybrid thats prestine.

You are right to put me in my place regarding jumping.. My strong suit is undoubtedly bmx. I have ridden park for years and i ride competitively.

I didnt at all mean to say that the mamba wasnt awesome... But i want something more maneuverable as far as chainstays etc.

On my custom Kink, I can jump 4 stacked skateboards (the height of the trucks x4) easily.
Ive done five before... (On flat)

i dont plan on dirt jumping on it, but there are some
hips and jumps on the sidewalk near me and some sewers that we like to ride.

As far as bike strength, im not super concerned. Im 5'7 125lbs. I wont say that ive mastered soft landings for the following reasons, howver, i do plenty finesse:

- Cyccomute doesnt need another opportunity to put me in my place

- im a relatively consistant rider, but im
always pushing my ability and the bike will undoubtedly get dropped.

But in all seriousness, I treat my equipment very well. I care about my belongings.

Cyo, i agree with your statement on cx bikes. They are cool, but its not what im
looking for atm. I like the Salsa. Do you have any experience with it? If so, what are pros and cons?

Tri King

Criteria
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- NOT A CX BIKE

- Tires that can handle dirt

- Id really like disc brakes, i ride in wet conditions frequently...

- light but dialed

- Speed of a road bike or close to it

- Durability to the extent that I can confidently jump up and down curbs and ride on relatively rough terrain


- Under 30 lbs.


- Not ugly... Most of the commuter bikes are super
Ugly... I really want something that at least isnt bad looking ..


- semi-knobby tires


My main use will be simply to get around town(Dallas) and ocassionally ride for pleasure.

marqueemoon

Eh, cross bikes aren't that fragile. Not everyone likes drop bars for commuting, but at 125 pounds you're not going to kill a cross bike hopping a few curbs.

Tri King

Yeah ur right about that... But thats off of a huge launch... Im not so sure about cx bikes for
A straight bunny-hop though... Whereas a rigid mtb is much more equipped for jumps, but is lacking in speed and rack space

Tri King

Anyone familiar with these? They appear to be high quality. https://www.fyxation.com/products/catalog/session-700

droy45

Those men jumping those CX bikes look very strong and fit. They may be able to land softly every time. If not, those frames will eventually crack without having a full suspension. That spells disaster for the rider when it completely breaks in half and they go head first in the dirt, possible death will occur. I have to agree with cyccommute on his recommendation of the MTB.

marqueemoon

From a durability/cost standpoint a rigid 26" would probably be better.

This would be a cheap and sturdy basis for a 26" commute/knockaround bike.
https://shop.titusti.com/product-p/froovdo126.htm
https://shop.titusti.com/product-p/fooocr26.htm

The Surly Troll as mentioned earlier would be good as well and has a zillion braze-ons for racks, etc... which would make it a bit more commute-friendly.

Going 26" would give you a good selection of wheels too. A lot of people are dumping nice 26" wheels to go 29".

If you want a more road-ish 29"/700c bike the Vassago Fisticuff might be up your alley. It can run rim or disc brakes and fit pretty huge tires. The biggest potential drawback is the track ends/disc brake combo being a bit of a hassle. That and new units won't be available for a while.

https://www.vassagocycles.com/fisticuff/

cyccommute 

I think the problem with the Mamba for jumping may be the 29er wheels...if that is what it has. The bulk and the larger frame keep it grounded. I think that's going to be a problem with any mountain bike as compared to a BMX but it's going to be worse with the 29er as compared to a 26er. It also has a lot of low end...aka heavy steel...components which don't help.

As to your size and weight, impact is still impact. You can probably get your tiny little carcass into the air higher than I can get my...um...larger frame into the air. A light weight dropped from a longer distance has the ability to build up a lot of momentum and could probably match the kind of impact that I put on my bikes so don't discount a strong frame too lightly

I don't have a Vaya but I'm not sure that it's made for your application. It's still pretty close to a cross bike. If you keep the wheels on the ground most of the time and just drop a curb occasionally, it would probably do as would most cross bikes. You could even jump them like in marqueemoon's post. However, realize that those guys may be paid to ride bikes and they may get their bikes as part of that payment. When someone else is footing the bill, you can ride with wild abandon. When the money for repair or replacement comes out of your pocket, it changes how you look at bicycles.

There are ways to work around the racks. While a Stumpjumper, for example, may not have rack mounts, the Rockhopper does. Even without rack mounts, you can use p-clips to mount racks on a bike without rack mounts. This bike doesn't have rack mounts



and it has a disc mount that interferes with the rack. I use a Delta Disc Rack for the rear rack. I can't really use panniers on it but I don't use panniers for commuting anyway.

AlmostGreenGuy

Maybe you should take a look along the lines of the Salsa El Mariachi SS.
[LIST]
Strong cromoly steel frame
Rigid fork
Flat bar
29er
Takes wide tires
Single speed
Plenty of dropouts for attaching commuting gear

Tri King

Well i supposed death could occur but i wouldnt say that djing a cx bike is a death wish lol. Its just not preferable...

I need something in the middle of a rigid mtb and a cx bike. And the frames rly arent that much weaker.... A broken fork or cracked headtube
Is the most common mishap

marqueemoon

Bikes break eventually. Ideally damage is an effect and not a cause of a crash. You improve your odds by riding an appropriate bike for the application and checking it regularly.

Riding a bike in traffic twice every weekday is risky too.

Tri King

Well isnt pretty much any bike that ur paying 1k+ for
Guna have a strong frame?

And i know that all these can do Curb drops, heck ive done curb drops On my tri bike... But i want something thay at the bare minimum can jump up curbs. If fixed gears could just jump up curbs, thats all I would ride. I really like the whole fixie culture and idea, but theyre not versatile.

*Note* I prefer single speed, but i could compromise for gears if the setup was right. And single speed conversioms arent difficult..*note*

Andy_K 

Seriously? I haven't kept up with this thread, so I'm not sure what kind of commuting you're planning that requires front squish, but...



Granted, you can break carbon this way too, but bunny hopping barriers isn't particularly uncommon anymore.