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Originally Posted by caloso
I'm wearing a buttondown shirt and dresspants with the super-dorky velcro anklestraps. Nobody, but nobody, thinks I look cool.
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I often wonder why so many adults do NOT ride a bike. I live in a town where it is possible to ride 365 days a year, yet among adults over the age of thirty, probably less than 5 % or so of adults ride a bike on a regular basis. Many of those "non-riders" spend big money on health club memberships, to sit indoors on a pretend bike.
I see some adult non-riders when they come into a bike shop. They can seem embarrassed. A bit like a nun who has wondered into an "adult" bookstore by mistake. They say stuff like "I'm kinda thinking of getting a bike, but I don't know if you have any bikes for someone like me, and I don't know if I can afford it". These non-riders seem intimidated by the image of cycling promoted by the BLL crowd with mega-buck pretend race bikes wearing BLL clothes, official shoes, and fancy helmet. Some folks develop the sense that riding a bike requires being a 25 year old male who weighs 150 pounds and who has $2,000 in his pocket for bikes, clothes, and gear. The BLL guys in Houston ride in groups of five, ten, or twenty. "Joe Average" and "Mary Middleaged" have gotten the notion that riding a bike ALONE is perhaps illegal, or at least, highly uncool. Do the BLL "pretend" racers outnumber the bike riders in jeans and t-shirts in Houston? No. However, a guy riding along in blue jeans just fades into the background of the chaos of bumper to bumper traffic in the world's most motorized city. But, ten guys in a pace line with shaved legs, tight shorts, bright yellow shirts, red aero helmets, and "Bug from Mars" sunglasses would get noticed even in the middle of the "Gay Pride" parade. They are the public "face" of cycling that has the greatest impact on non-riders. In order for riding bikes to become something that MOST adults do everyday, the "Poster Boy" for cycling needs to be changed from "Lance Armstrong" to "Mary Armstrong". She is a slightly chubby fifty year old lady who rides wearing jeans, an old tee-shirt, and sandals. And, the "poster" should show Mary riding to her job with her briefcase strapped to the back, or returning from Krogers with a basket full of groceries. There is a "chicken and the egg" thing that keeps the MAJORITY of adults from riding a bike. Most adults would be willing to do it, IF they saw the majority of their friends and neighbors doing it. If it looked "normal". If it had nothing to do with "racing". If it had to do with with easing the pace of life, relaxing, getting fit, and enjoying life in the slow lane. |
So your saying non-riders see riders in spandex more than just an average joe riding in a t-shirt? Around here and in most cities I have visited the racer to tooler ratio is 1 out of 20.Sorry I don't buy it.
It is the racers that bring people to the shop. Lance has done alot to bring the sport out. Now maybe they see him and think the options are limited. But the normal american sees bikes at Walmart and knows there are options. You keep coming up with ideas that make no sense. Most non-riders I know would never guess my road bike cost $1500. They usually guess $300-$400. |
Originally Posted by Feltup
So your saying non-riders see riders in spandex more than just an average joe riding in a t-shirt? Around here and in most cities I have visited the racer to tooler ratio is 1 out of 20.Sorry I don't buy it.
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Originally Posted by caloso
I don't get this. Maybe, as you mentioned in your other thread, it's just a St. Louis thing. I certainly don't get this vibe here in Sacramento.
Last night on the way home from work I had to stop by the LBS to buy a new blinkie. I'm wearing a buttondown shirt and dresspants with the super-dorky velcro anklestraps. Nobody, but nobody, thinks I look cool. Had a nice chat with the girl behind the counter who rides a cruiser and a nice chat with the guy in the repair shop who rides a Specialized in Team Domina colors. On the way home, I see the fastest wheel in town, a pro rider who makes his living riding a bike (and fixing them). He's heading the different direction, obviously on the tail end of a training ride but still going down the road like a bat out of hell. I wave. He waves back. I realize that this is just anectdotal evidence of Sacramento's friendliness, but then it's just anectdotal evidence of St.Louis' racism and jerkiness that informs your posts. Maybe you should move west, young man.... BTW Caloso...you might not "look" cool but when you're on a bike you don't really need to! |
Originally Posted by Feltup
Strange I think the 2 go hand in hand. Riders that win races are in better shape than the guys that tool around. Do you think that guys that ride to win could have picked an easier way to do so? Or maybe they are really good at riding a bike; fast.
Your just another bike elitist that thinks he knows the true meaning of the sport(yes I said sport). You and alanbikehouston should write a book so all us other riders can become enlightened too. It sickens me when I see these middle class psuedo political individuals on their three pound road bikes pushing hard and working thier bodies for a few hours around the Rose Bowl jump into thier SUV with the War is not the answer bumper sticker and say that they're a cyclist. To me, you might that's not what it takes. I have respect for racers and don't hate them in the least I just don't hold them in the same regard as the person that is willing to take on cycling as something more meaningful in thier life than a weekend excursion. |
Originally Posted by Feltup
No you just live closer to your job, etc.
I live in Los Angeles, one of the most spread out cities in the world and hardly drive a bit. And the few people I have in mind actually live closer to thier jobs than I do. There is just such a car culture that people will literally drive two blocks the video store. |
I'm not a racer, but I have been known to use digital communication from time to time (ex: extending your middle digit of your left hand to display disgust at the motorist who chose to come within 5 inches of you and scream "sidewalk" and immediately followed by frying his tires off)
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Originally Posted by junioroverlord
See thats the difference between you and me. To me cycling isn't a sport its a mode of transportation and a way of life. I cycle because I don't believe in making wars for oil. I cycle because internal combustion is killing our planet and I'd rather not contribute to it. I'm not saying I never drive a car, or ride in a car but I'd very much like to limit how much I do so and do it when absolutely necessary.
It sickens me when I see these middle class psuedo political individuals on their three pound road bikes pushing hard and working thier bodies for a few hours around the Rose Bowl jump into thier SUV with the War is not the answer bumper sticker and say that they're a cyclist. To me, you might that's not what it takes. I have respect for racers and don't hate them in the least I just don't hold them in the same regard as the person that is willing to take on cycling as something more meaningful in thier life than a weekend excursion. |
Originally Posted by junioroverlord
I live in Los Angeles, one of the most spread out cities in the world and hardly drive a bit.
And the few people I have in mind actually live closer to thier jobs than I do. There is just such a car culture that people will literally drive two blocks the video store. |
Originally Posted by Feltup
Damn your worse than the racer types you dislike. See some of the racers say the same about you. It is sad that you think a guy who rides only on the weekend is not a cyclist. Some people don't live close enough to ride to work. Some people have to work 50-70 hours a week to make ends meet. The people that only ride on the weekends might not have any other choice. You ever thought of that? At least their not wasting the weekend sitting in front of the tv. I would think that you being a liberal would be more tollerant of the less fortunate.
Are you listening? I'm talking about these rich overprivleged fools driving in thier Mercedes SUV's. They're hardly struggling to make ends meet. Oh and I did say I didn't hate racers. Oh and I'm not sitting in front of the TV during the weekends. Oh but you're right. I need to be tolerant of the less fortunate seeing as I'm so fortunate myself with the hundreds upon hundreds of dollars I make each month. |
Originally Posted by junioroverlord
Are you listening? I'm talking about these rich overprivleged fools driving in thier Mercedes SUV's. They're hardly struggling to make ends meet. Oh and I did say I didn't hate racers. Oh and I'm not sitting in front of the TV during the weekends.
Oh but you're right. I need to be tolerant of the less fortunate seeing as I'm so fortunate myself with the hundreds upon hundreds of dollars I make each month. Ok now it is the rich,overprivledged, Mercedes SUV owners. Before it was just middle class,SUV owners in general. I personally have never seen a rider with a Mercedes SUV. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just have never seen one. I never said you were sitting in front of your tv. I meant that it was good they were on a bike and not in front of a tv. As far as money goes, try not to be a hater of the rich either. I am sure if you had a lot of disposable income you would give it all away and have nothing nice. What I meant by less fortunate was the people that don't get to ride as much as you. Do you work part-time? See us middle class scum work hard for what we have. Paid for college myself and now have a good job that puts me in the middle class realm. I am lucky I live close to where I work so commuting works for me. If I didn't I would be one of the non-cyclist that only ride on the weekend. I ride because I love it, not because I feel it is some self serving way to save the planet. |
Originally Posted by Feltup
How can I listen?
Ok now it is the rich,overprivledged, Mercedes SUV owners. Before it was just middle class,SUV owners in general. I personally have never seen a rider with a Mercedes SUV. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just have never seen one. I never said you were sitting in front of your tv. I meant that it was good they were on a bike and not in front of a tv. As far as money goes, try not to be a hater of the rich either. I am sure if you had a lot of disposable income you would give it all away and have nothing nice. What I meant by less fortunate was the people that don't get to ride as much as you. Do you work part-time? See us middle class scum work hard for what we have. Paid for college myself and now have a good job that puts me in the middle class realm. I am lucky I live close to where I work so commuting works for me. If I didn't I would be one of the non-cyclist that only ride on the weekend. I ride because I love it, not because I feel it is some self serving way to save the planet. I ride because I like it as well, I just use it to bolster my self image. I work full time, and damn hard as well. I'm paying for my way through college, I'm fighting the good fight. You keep saying I hate these people. I don't. I have lots of issues when it comes to social class. And you're right I mispoke the first time, and I apolgize for that (in regards to my first post concerning middle class individuals) All I'm saying is, if you think of cycling as a weekend retreat I don't think I can call you a true cyclist. To me a true cyclist is someone that utilizes a bicycle as a viable means of transportation, not a plaything. That is all. |
Originally Posted by junioroverlord
Are you listening? I'm talking about these rich overprivleged fools driving in thier Mercedes SUV's
I have to admit, though, that it would be easier to get my bike to the bike shop in the back of one of those than in my station wagon. And, as noted above, it is the only SUV whose handling, brakeing, and performance are not an abomination. That's not reason enough for me to want them If it matters, I am a "suit and tie" year-round commuter cyclist who rarely rides for any other reason. I did use to be a runner, though, and I never would have been able to transport myself home from a race without some sort of motorized vehicle. In fact, just walking a few steps was hard. I assume bike racers push just as hard as runners. No reason to be down on anyone just because they push to the limit in a sport. Rather the opposite... Paul |
Originally Posted by junioroverlord
All I'm saying is, if you think of cycling as a weekend retreat I don't think I can call you a true cyclist. To me a true cyclist is someone that utilizes a bicycle as a viable means of transportation, not a plaything. That is all.
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Originally Posted by Frank B
At what point did labels begin to matter?
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See, I'm in the "I don't care" crowd. I use my bike for daily transportation 14 miles each way to work. I don't own a car nor do I plan on owning one anytime soon. I rather enjoy riding 18-30 miles per day (depending on whether I use public transportation going to work) and have no need for a car. For those that just can't live without a car and don't want to buy a bicycle, that's not my problem. As far as the racer types go, more power to them... They're still training regularly and maintaining good health, which is more than can be said for the early-20's '"ricer" crowd with suped up Honda's playing Fast & furious on the roads and dumping all their cash into their cars.
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Monday through Friday, I ride my bike to work, but.... several times a week, I take a 20 mile detour as a training loop on my race bike, wearing the full spandex costume.
Saturdays, I join a weekly group ride that's basically an ad hoc road race, but .... on the way home I usually stop by Safeway for a small bag of groceries or the tacqueria. So, I ride my bike nearly everyday: training, racing, commuting, running errands. Am I a jerky weekend hobbyist? Or a paragon of virtue transportational cyclist? I am neither and both. I am a Cyclist. |
Originally Posted by caloso
Monday through Friday, I ride my bike to work, but.... several times a week, I take a 20 mile detour as a training loop on my race bike, wearing the full spandex costume.
Saturdays, I join a weekly group ride that's basically an ad hoc road race, but .... on the way home I usually stop by Safeway for a small bag of groceries or the tacqueria. So, I ride my bike nearly everyday: training, racing, commuting, running errands. Am I a jerky weekend hobbyist? Or a paragon of virtue transportational cyclist? I am neither and both. I am a Cyclist. :) |
WTG Bill.....I agree.....those damn ricky racers!!!!
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Originally Posted by billh
Yes, much better, thanks . . . now on to "right wing conservative SUV driving cyclist who rides 4000-5000 miles a year" . . . those &*(^*()&*()!!!!!!!!!
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lets all join hands, road racers, slakers, mountain bikers. lycra pants, khaki pants. kumby-ya my lord. kumby-ya. kumby-ya, my lord. oh.lord kumby-ya.
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Originally Posted by Feltup
Sorry I don't buy it.
Originally Posted by Mars
I don't buy it either.
Now we counted downtown as the area between Pierce Elevated and Congress (except also all of the courthouses on the north side of Congress as well as police and county stuff) and 45 and 59. We later discovered we'd missed some late night riders to St Joes Hosp, about 5 of them all immigrant workers. The original tally was 29. Add the 5 hospital workers for a total of 34. That's in a city with a pop of 4.9mil in it's greater metro area. Over half a mil converge on the downtown area to work each day and 34 rode bikes. That's Houston I hope it's improved since then. Now that didn't include ourselves or our compadres. If you added in the bike messengers it came to around 84 bike commuters. Mostly you only see poor recent arrivals on bikes on their way to work, especially in the barrios. Most cyclists drive somewhere to do it recreationally. There are 2-3 organized roadie rides that take you through parts of the city, including the Death ride which is a popular roadie training group that I think is organized by West End Cycles. But really, unless there has been some weird law passed that would require Houstonians to lose weight while not driving it's got fewer commuters per capita than most anyplace. Don't get me wrong if you wanted to establish a bike related industry there, people do buy them, lots! We're just not sure what they do with them all. |
Originally Posted by junioroverlord
Are you listening? I'm talking about these rich overprivleged fools driving in thier Mercedes SUV's. They're hardly struggling to make ends meet. Oh and I did say I didn't hate racers. Oh and I'm not sitting in front of the TV during the weekends.
Oh but you're right. I need to be tolerant of the less fortunate seeing as I'm so fortunate myself with the hundreds upon hundreds of dollars I make each month. Envy-1 : painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another joined with a desire to possess the same advantage. From Merriam-Webster. You're right, you have issues. |
Originally Posted by Stealthman_1
Tolerance-2 a : sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own b : the act of allowing something.
Envy-1 : painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another joined with a desire to possess the same advantage. From Merriam-Webster. You're right, you have issues. |
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