How to bike in the city?
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Based on your description of the roads and sidewalks, I'm going to guess you go to school in Boston? If that's the case, space IS limited on most roads, but that still isn't an excuse to ride on the sidewalk.
Like others have implied, I sense that you are somewhat new to biking, not just urban biking. That said, there's some great advice in this thread. Try to ignore the sarcasm and plain-old "mean" comments and you should be off to a good start!
Like others have implied, I sense that you are somewhat new to biking, not just urban biking. That said, there's some great advice in this thread. Try to ignore the sarcasm and plain-old "mean" comments and you should be off to a good start!
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You should also look up the cycling laws for your state and municipality. Just google "yourstate bike laws," and check the source to make sure you're looking at something published by a government agency or a reputable advocacy group.
Your state might require you to ride with a helmet, on the street, with particular kids of lights, for example, so many of your questions might be answered for you.
Your state might require you to ride with a helmet, on the street, with particular kids of lights, for example, so many of your questions might be answered for you.
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What's up with all the "bicycle safety courses" ??...What happened to the good old fashioned common sense approach ?
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You know, another thing you might do is find a local cycling club that has a "welcome to new riders" ride, these will typically be a relaxed, slower paced, not real long ride - they're trying to lure you in, not scare you off.
I mean, don't meet up with the local race club . . . from the club website you can tell what sort of rides they do, and you can always call the ride leader and ask.
Riding in a group, you can watch what people do, maybe get tips, and there is often safety in numbers.
I mean, don't meet up with the local race club . . . from the club website you can tell what sort of rides they do, and you can always call the ride leader and ask.
Riding in a group, you can watch what people do, maybe get tips, and there is often safety in numbers.
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motorists kill ~34,000 people a year and you rant about ninja bikers and salmon? Since you are able to concoct statistics from thin air perhaps you would care to estimate how many people ninja or salmon kill each year.
good to know ILTB.
good to know ILTB.
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Common sense is a myth. Left to their own devices, people think they're safer on the sidewalk because there aren't cars on it, that they should ride against traffic because they think like pedestrians, and don't do anything special to be visible because "hey, I can see where I'm going, what else do I need?"
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another common sense myth is that its safer to hug the right hand curb. you should always give yourself enough room so that you are not surprised by a door or pull out. its also best to ride in a straight line rather than to weave in and out of traffic due to the presence or absence of parked cars on the curb.
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Over in Advocacy, there is a thread about a ninja maybe-salmon who was killed on a dark section of road in San Antonio. He was wearing dark clothes, had no lights, was riding in the middle of the traffic lane, even though there were wide shoulders, and (people are saying, not sure about this myself) was riding against traffic. A lady in a sedan came along at 50 mph, the normal speed there, and hit him. Instant death.
Who killed that ninja maybe-salmon? He did it to himself. Can anyone really be surprised? I feel the same way when I see one of our local ninja, materializing from nowhere on a dark rainy night, flashing through the jerking beam of swerving headlights: if he (it is usually a he) dies someday, it'll be a suicide.
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Common sense dictates that visibility is important...However, dressing up yourself with buzzillion lights and reflective gear is not a guarantee that you're not gona get hit.
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Common sense should dictate ,to stay out of the door zone, and be aware of other dangers such as vehicels unexpetedly pulling out of side streets or driveways.
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Bluntly - I think ninja kill themselves. Putting on dark clothes and sailing unlit into nighttime traffic is just playing Russian roulette.
Over in Advocacy, there is a thread about a ninja maybe-salmon who was killed on a dark section of road in San Antonio. He was wearing dark clothes, had no lights, was riding in the middle of the traffic lane, even though there were wide shoulders, and (people are saying, not sure about this myself) was riding against traffic. A lady in a sedan came along at 50 mph, the normal speed there, and hit him. Instant death.
Over in Advocacy, there is a thread about a ninja maybe-salmon who was killed on a dark section of road in San Antonio. He was wearing dark clothes, had no lights, was riding in the middle of the traffic lane, even though there were wide shoulders, and (people are saying, not sure about this myself) was riding against traffic. A lady in a sedan came along at 50 mph, the normal speed there, and hit him. Instant death.
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Common sense should dictate ,to stay out of the door zone, and be aware of other dangers such as vehicels unexpetedly pulling out of side streets or driveways.
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1. I'd still stick to the street. Study after study shows it's still the safest place to ride. As for the helmet, you are fine without one. Many say you need one, but the science just does not back that statement. ATM the jury is still out on the helmet. Some studies claim a huge benefit, others none, and yet others a harm to wearing a helmet. So without that scientific backing, it really comes down to personal choice. Hence the reason I don't and will never wear one.
2. All I can say is get a better bike. You will have to stop at lights whether you ride in the street or on the sidewalk. Best to just be prepared.
3. is that a top rack mounted backet? If so I have no suggestion as I find them silly. I stick with large dutch style panniers. No problems then getting on or off.
2. All I can say is get a better bike. You will have to stop at lights whether you ride in the street or on the sidewalk. Best to just be prepared.
3. is that a top rack mounted backet? If so I have no suggestion as I find them silly. I stick with large dutch style panniers. No problems then getting on or off.
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Bluntly - I think ninja kill themselves. Putting on dark clothes and sailing unlit into nighttime traffic is just playing Russian roulette.
Over in Advocacy, there is a thread about a ninja maybe-salmon who was killed on a dark section of road in San Antonio. He was wearing dark clothes, had no lights, was riding in the middle of the traffic lane, even though there were wide shoulders, and (people are saying, not sure about this myself) was riding against traffic. A lady in a sedan came along at 50 mph, the normal speed there, and hit him. Instant death.
Who killed that ninja maybe-salmon? He did it to himself. Can anyone really be surprised? I feel the same way when I see one of our local ninja, materializing from nowhere on a dark rainy night, flashing through the jerking beam of swerving headlights: if he (it is usually a he) dies someday, it'll be a suicide.
Over in Advocacy, there is a thread about a ninja maybe-salmon who was killed on a dark section of road in San Antonio. He was wearing dark clothes, had no lights, was riding in the middle of the traffic lane, even though there were wide shoulders, and (people are saying, not sure about this myself) was riding against traffic. A lady in a sedan came along at 50 mph, the normal speed there, and hit him. Instant death.
Who killed that ninja maybe-salmon? He did it to himself. Can anyone really be surprised? I feel the same way when I see one of our local ninja, materializing from nowhere on a dark rainy night, flashing through the jerking beam of swerving headlights: if he (it is usually a he) dies someday, it'll be a suicide.
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What about all the law abiding cyclists and other safety nannies with buzillion lights, and/or following all the rules of the road and still getting hit and/or killed ??..For you to say that the Ninja deserved to be hit or that they killed themselves is just real nasty. Who the heck are you to judge other cyclists ?
The riders who are doing it right - lights, reflectives, riding safely - and still get killed? Well, I feel bad and angry about them.
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i sometimes see half a dozen (or more) ninjas riding about my neighborhood on a single trip and despite this i cannot remember the last time one died. that being said the police should spend more time ticketing ninjas and less time staking out the ladd's addition traffic circle.
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We have them here since a study showed that they're safer on narrow one-way streets than riding in the same direction as the traffic. Here. most one-way streets that allow bikes, allow them to go in both directions (clearly noted on the street itself and by sign).
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Here's another link. Easy to read, with illustrations.
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm
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That's what I thought. Perhaps you should consider prefacing your opinions with the acronym IMO when you make pronouncements about the right or wrong thoughts or actions of other cyclists. Someone might mistakenly get the idea that your pronouncements about cycling safety have any more credibility or validity than any other anonymous poster's opinion or guess on the subject.
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Perhaps you should consider prefacing your opinions with the acronym IMO when you make pronouncements about the right or wrong thoughts or actions of other cyclists. Someone might mistakenly get the idea that your pronouncements about cycling safety have any more credibility or validity than any other anonymous poster's opinion or guess on the subject.
Anecdotally, I have witnessed doorings but have never seen a cyclist hit while being overtaken. Do you have some anecdotes to share to counter mine? Or is it simply a matter of faith for you that taking the lane is so dangerous. I also have to point out that on acidfast7's video thread I cited a summary of 3 studies, all of which indicated that being hit from behind (e.g. overtaken) was low risk, and your response was completely disingenuous.
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Most of these contra-flow (two way traffic) bikeroutes in my city run alongside very busy arterial roads. I find them very useful, I find them safe. The cyclist just needs to pay attention and slow down, when going through intersections.
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Consider reading Art of (Urban) Cycling : a guide to bicycling in 21st-century America by Robert Hurst. Find it on the shelf at your library at 796.6 HUR. It's accessibly-written with helpful illustrations. It focuses on pragmatic (as opposed to dogmatic) solutions to everyday matters, including how to choose between sidewalk and street.
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