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Grasschopper 02-17-05 08:20 AM

I use a back pack because it is what I have and it fits what I want to carry. I am looking for a set of panniers and or a trunk. I put a rear rack on my bike so I could do this but just haven't had the disposable income to buy it yet...and I am not sure of what I want yet. I need fenders still too and I think they will be first. I have been looking at this cannondale pack. Anyone using it?

anthonya9999 02-18-05 09:55 AM

Messenger bags seems to be the consensus over backpacks -- is that style or functionality??

Also, how come I never see a bike messenger in the city with panniers?

jnbacon 02-18-05 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by anthonya9999
Messenger bags seems to be the consensus over backpacks -- is that style or functionality??

Also, how come I never see a bike messenger in the city with panniers?

Time. Messengers need to get on and off fast, and taking panniers on and off would
slow them down. And they can't leave them on as they would likely be stolen.

Plus, panniers look geeky. ;-)

vrkelley 02-18-05 10:20 AM

I like to grab a bag that looks similar to what other people are carrying. Msger bags and packs are more portable and you can use them for non-biking days. No switching bags non-sense between biking and non-biking days.

Wind resistance is another factor. The newer packs seem more aero and lighter

Jinks 02-19-05 11:10 PM

I commute with a messenger bag too (timbuk2 too!). It's just convenient to be able to go to the store on the way home, or to multiple locations. It carries enough, but it's true that on the days I have to lug around my laptop, I'm not to happy about it. It's both function and style, I think. I like how it hangs lower on the back, so I don't get that sticky sweaty upper back. I can easily reach into my bag to get stuff out without having to swing it around, and it closes securely with the large velcro tabs even without using the clips. If you get a messenger bag, make sure it has the cross strap to secure the bag properly while riding. And I'd recommend a brief case style handle. I don't have one, and that's the one thing I wish I ordered on my bag.

Daily Commute 02-20-05 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by anthonya9999
What about control -- doesn't the extra weight on the frame reduce your control of the bike in turns, especially emergency maneuvers?

In addition to the center of gravity comments others have made, having extra weight over the rear tires (as opposed to centered) increases breaking effectiveness. In quick stops, weight shifts off the rear tire, dramatically decreasing it's breaking power. The extra weight helps hold the rear tire down, so the front break doesn't have to do as much work.

OldShacker 02-20-05 06:02 AM

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On my way to work in colder weather I use the soft backpack full of my clothes (business casual attire) and shoes along with First Aid kit, tools, lunch and at times my laptop on my back. I made the pack to fit the rear bike rack so that it fits real snug with straps for the ride home. On the way home I put the Camelbak pack on my back and my backpack on my rack. Now I use a the new kind of bowling ball bag ($20.00)with lots of pockets and nice compartments to put stuff. I have to walk a tad and the bag is just right and looks good as well. Now I need a Bright Bowling shirt and I am complete :)

bkrownd 02-20-05 06:20 AM

Key advantage of backpack: it's free, since presumably you already got one. One can only afford just so many $50 and $100 accessories. :)

bkrownd 02-20-05 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by jnbacon

Plus, panniers look geeky. ;-)

And I bet they mess up your sleek/clean/minimalist fixie look. :o

Dchiefransom 02-20-05 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by jnbacon
Time. Messengers need to get on and off fast, and taking panniers on and off would
slow them down. And they can't leave them on as they would likely be stolen.

Plus, panniers look geeky. ;-)

The messenger bags leave more of your back exposed on hot days. I've gone to a trunk bag on a rear rack because of that. I really don't carry enough for panniers, but do realize that they would lower the center of gravity of my total load. When a trunk bag is heavy, you have to remember to keep your bike fairly vertical when you stop, or it could start to lean too much, and the wheels start sliding to the side. At least that's what happened to me. If I get really organized, I imagine I could switch from the larger backpack I sometimes carry to just putting a few things in my Camelbak M.U.L.E. without the bladder.

wangster 02-20-05 02:20 PM

i'd have to vote for the messanger bags too. I use a manhattan portage bag, comparable to timbuk2. They last longer than backpacks because of the lining and are water proof and can carry a larger load. I don't use panniers because in brooklyn, whatever can come off easily with screws will most likely be stolen, so the less on the bike the less to steal. and here in NYC, we need a LARGE chain, so it's uncomfortable to have the chain around your shoulders or waist and have a backpack. oh...and panniers do look geeky...sorry for being superficial, but can't help it...

soda 02-21-05 06:54 PM

Most definitely a backpack. Plus, I would shudder to think what a bumpy ride would do to my laptop if it were in those saddlebags. With a backpack, I can stand up to cushion the bumps. Plus, I have all my gear (keys, ID, cell phone, etc..) attached to the daisy chains for easy access.

Bigfoot 02-21-05 09:50 PM

http://www.panniers.com/panniers/rt6...p?color=&site=

I bought the RT 60. They have lots of room and can be easily carried as a back pack.

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wangster 02-21-05 09:55 PM

for those of you that carry your laptops and not a lot of other things, i'd take a look at booq bags. I have one for my laptop and usually double as my regular bag. can be worn either as a backpack or messenger. pretty beefy protection for the laptop and fits quite a bit for it's size. One of my favorite bags. booqbags.com highly recommended

Chi-Com 02-25-05 12:00 PM

I sweat tons, and found myself unprofessionally drenched when I biked to work with a backpack---even if I biked pretty slowly on a pretty cool day. I've since switched to the Breezer BizPannier and find myself a much happier commuter. I particularly like that it comes with a shoulder strap and that the rack attachment hardware zips off. It is an attractive enough bag that I use it as a shoulder bag on days when I take the train to work or when I travel for business. Also has laptop sleeve and rain cover. One warning only: at 17 inches wide there wasn't sufficient heel clearance due to the relatively short chainstay on my road bike. Purchased the Jannd Expedition rack, which is three inches longer than your typical rack, and that pretty much solved the problem. I'd take a look at the Arkel Bug if you think heel clearance may be an issue. The Breezer bag is actually made by Intertia Designs, and you can buy it for a few bucks cheaper through them, but I find the version you can get through Breezer far more attractive. Hope that helps.

moxfyre 02-25-05 12:06 PM

I tried panniers for commuting, but had several problems.

First, the good news is they made everything feel wonderfully lighter. When I stand up to pedal, I don't feel weighed down at all. I can see why they are vastly superior for touring. I may use them again in the summer when keeping my back cool is a priority.

The problems: makes the back of the bike feel really heavy, especially when you go over a bump and worry that your rear triangle is gonna snap off (I'm sure this is an illusion, but disquieting nonetheless). That was with 32 mm tires on my fixie frame. My panniers don't have a convenient way to carry them around when not on the bike, so that makes them hard to use for grocery shopping and such, since I don't want to leave them on the bike where they might be stolen.

Iffacus 02-26-05 04:01 AM

I have used over the years, Courier Bags, Backpacks & panniers for commuting.

My opinion is that a Pannier on the side that the traffic passes you is best. When I first switched I'm sure that the drivers were giving me more room. Also when commuting at night I put a light on the pannier making me appear much wider than I actually am.

As I have a rear LED light on my helmet as well, i'm sure a backpack would obscure the view of it.

jo5iah 03-02-05 03:09 PM

I felt so free when I switched from backpack to pannier - it was like being unchained, like being nekkid.

vrkelley 03-11-05 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by OldShacker
On my way to work in colder weather I use the soft backpack full of my clothes (business casual attire) and shoes along with First Aid kit, tools, lunch and at times my laptop on my back. I made the pack to fit the rear bike rack so that it fits real snug with straps for the ride home. On the way home I put the Camelbak pack on my back and my backpack on my rack. Now I use a the new kind of bowling ball bag ($20.00)with lots of pockets and nice compartments to put stuff. I have to walk a tad and the bag is just right and looks good as well. Now I need a Bright Bowling shirt and I am complete :)

That's a bowling bag? At first glance, thought it was a Carddice saddle bag! Kuhl

ch9862 03-12-05 04:17 AM

Few years ago I started commuting with a cheap hydration backpack, and loved it. Cheap, very convenient, I could fit everything I needed into it. It had a dark side though - my back would get sweaty in no time when carrying it.

When the bladder in my backpack developed a leak, I decided to look for alternatives. Since I already had rear rack, I bought pannier bag. It was largish, and I used only one. Bike handled OK with asymetrical load, and since I had the bag on the traffic side, I thought that cars were giving me a bit more space when passing.

I was somewhat concerned about weight distribution - I rode in a very upright position, with handlebars higher than saddle, hence most of the weight was on the rear wheel. I decided to try front panniers; I got rack and bags from Nashbar (I think) and never looked back. The bags are not as convenient to carry off the bike as a backpack, and I had to go back to using water bottle (sigh), but for me it was definitely worth it. My back can breath, bike handles better because of lower center of gravity (it's more stable, without losing much agility), I can wear reflective vest (I used to drape it over the backpack), I can easily access my jersey's rear pockets...

That's my story. Perhaps investing in a better backpack would help with sweaty back, but I don't hike after riding...

Others may know more though.

Alcyon 03-14-05 07:55 PM

I have to use both. My backpack and binder goes in my packback, but textbooks and jackets go in the panniers. My cable lock and all my repair stuff (pump, allen keys, etc.) go in my rack bag.

It's true, it's a lot of stuff, plus I'm going uphill all the way to school, but it's a relatively short bike.

Sorry to bring up a new post.

moxfyre 03-14-05 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Alcyon
I have to use both. My backpack and binder goes in my packback, but textbooks and jackets go in the panniers. My cable lock and all my repair stuff (pump, allen keys, etc.) go in my rack bag.

It's true, it's a lot of stuff, plus I'm going uphill all the way to school, but it's a relatively short bike.

Way to go, dude! When I have to carry that much stuff, sometimes I wuss out and drive :( Do you carry the axe along in case you have to do any emergency wielding?

Alcyon 03-14-05 08:09 PM

Yeah, I replaced my now-useless Kryptonite mounting with a steel bracket for a fire axe. :p

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I'm too young to drive, and the distance is such that taking a seperate car from the one my mom uses to go to work would be stupid-when I don't feel like or cannot commute I hitch a ride with her.

moxfyre 03-14-05 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Alcyon
Yeah, I replaced my now-useless Kryptonite mounting with a steel bracket for a fire axe. :p

If you're serious, then please post a photo of it. That's solid.

Alcyon 03-14-05 08:41 PM

The smilie signified the existence of sarcasm.

Although that would kick major ass.

sewupnut 03-15-05 12:07 AM

Backpack when going to school (5 miles) cause it's a lot easier to carry around when you get there. Going to work (12 miles), Touring Cyclist brand panniers on a Blackburn low rider (front) rack. Used to go on training rides after work with them attached to my
'86 Stumpjumper. Really stable. Now I've really dated myself!

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bigbenaugust 03-15-05 01:24 AM

Panniers (REI Explorers, not that huge) on a Hedland rear rack. With a bungee web over the top of the rack for excess cargo. I probably carry too much to work, but it's good exercise. :)

AJRoberts 03-15-05 09:05 AM

I use panniers (an ancient pair from MEC), but I get frustrated taking them on and off the rack. I have a Chariot hitch on the back, and the arrangement on the rear drop out with the hitch, fenders, QR skewer and rack doesn't leave much room to maneuver fingers to get the bags mounted. I'm considering a Carradice saddle bag with a QR 'bagman' rack.

Saddle bags that actually carry more than a tube & levers don't seem to be very popular here. AFAIK, the Carradice line isn't even sold in Canada :(

FotoTomas 03-15-05 04:30 PM

Most routine riding has my repair and parts kit in a JANDD trunk bag on a Giant rack. A backpack holds the necessary stuff when I commute. A set of panniers is on my wish list to try out. :)

sewupnut 04-04-05 10:39 PM

Anybody remember Eclipse panniers that used to slide on and off a special rack they built?

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