The tap water isn't potable in any area of America. Not that bottled water is much better... its usually tap water. But it might be filtered. Do you have a filter on your tap? You should. It's cheap insurance and more likely to pay off, and with lots less hassle, than State Farm or Allstate...

H

And? What? What, exactly, is the point you are trying to make...?

Yes, I have.

No. I have not

You've got me confused with a pannier owner. I rock a Bob Yak. You don't notice that its there either.

Thank you, but, I'm still not sold. Unless you can tell me something bad about the WIKE. Something serious, like, the factory holds migrant workers captive on the premises then, my argument is that: the Travoy is too big and too expensive to be practical, for me. Neither of them, IMO, is a substitute for a cargo trailer, however.

H

You obviously haven't tried Memphis tap water.

potable

you keep using that word
but i dont think it means what you think it means

I know what the word means and I was not the first to use it in this discussion.

H

I wrote "Have you ever seen Travoy in real life?" so that letting you know there is a big difference in quality between them.

Have you seen Wike trailers?

So you have no idea about Travoy so you have nothing.

No I'm not. I don't care if you are a pannier rocker or trailer rocker. I'm just letting you know Travoy is different. Btw,I hate Bob trailers.


I'm not selling you anything. I just don't like people talk about a product that they have never tried.

but you are the one to (pick one):
1) use the word incorrectly, or
2) make a false statement including the word

Guys, enough. You're all correct. You're all awesome, and you're strong and fit and handsome. OK?

I'm not handsome

i think the one thing we can all agree on is that
noglider should SHUT UP

YOU shut up!

touché

BTW it's WilfrID Laurier.

Here's my rig. I use a 33 middle ring in the front and usually some sprocket in the 20s on the back. I have a serious up-hill climb (at least for Iowa..) back from the grocery store.



The trailer is an Instep that I bought 6-7 years ago. I replaced the hitch with a Burley. Been quite pleasantly surprised that the trailer has survived this long, especially the last two years where it has hauled every bit of food I eat.

I use this:
https://www.amazon.com/Banjo-Brothers...rocery+pannier

with a large reusable bag.

With panniers that hang off the side, it's not a big deal to have only one. The low center of gravity greatly reduces the effect on stability.

For trips that exceed my panniers:

I recycled a MEC kid's trailer... It carries a 100 litre tote with space to spare.



I built an Extrabike... which is better than the trailer in the winter and can also pull the trailer in the summer.



My touring bike can haul a lot of groceries too.

ummmmm

nope



its wilFRED

keep in mind that i am not the victorian era canadian prime minister
he doesnt post here much
also didnt wear glasses in his portrait

I shopped for years with a crate on the back and a backpack on myself. I'm sure that's a higher center of gravity than some people like, but it was comfortable for me.

I see the OP has never come back and responded, but out of amusement I'll comment anyways... :-)

The style of carrier you get is largely about how much extra effort that it's convenient to go to to carry your groceries.

The "folding basket" type's main advantage is that it's fairly easily always on your bike, without being a big theft target. No need to remember to bring it - it's just there. But you have to arrange your groceries in such a way that they won't tip over the bag or fall out on your way home.

I wanted relatively affordable panniers that I wouldn't have to worry about stuff jumping out of if I went over some bumpy road. And - and this was critically important :-) - I wanted something that a Dijorno frozen pizza would fit into. :-) So I bought the Banjo Brothers market pannier -
https://banjobrothers.com/products/cu...arket-pannier/





It's:
- Big enough for frozen pizza
- Has handles, you can carry it and use it for your shopping, and also for your grocery bag
- The top folds over the groceries, so nothing is going to jump out of the bag if you go over a bump.
- Likewise it's self contained (no open parts once you fold the top over), so no need to be to neurotic about how you pack the groceries in it.
- It has a pouch on the inside where you can put a rain cover (I bought mine from Calhoun Cycle - the rain cover might have actually been from a different brand)

Drawbacks are that it can only carry so much (2 grocery bags worth of groceries, you could maybe also strap something to the top of the rack, carrying more would require a front rack).

A trailer will definitely carry everything. It's drawbacks are mainly that you're towing a trailer (so no stopping for groceries on the way home from work, in general). And the trailer takes up space in your apartment garage that's much, much larger than the space taken up by panniers.

I've done that. When I was 20, I had a studio apartment on the fourth floor of a building with no elevator. I even carried my bike up a few times with the groceries in the crate. That feat was more exercise than riding the bike!

I love towing my trailer. I'll have to see if I still love it after moving to Manhattan. It might prove unwieldy.

PaulRivers, you ride a bike, but you don't make your own pizza?!

Lol...yes? I don't have time to do both! haha. It's either having time to ride, or having time to cook...

When too busy to cook, I resort to tortillas or even crepes. Easier to prepare than pizza and would not cut into your ride time much.
(Although if the weather's nice and I'm in the mood for an evening ride, I splurge on a Clif bar for dinner.)

I use the panniers nashbar makes for smaller trips, but with four kids, I repurpose the kid's bike trailer if I'm doing the grocery shopping for the whole week.

Me too...I have 3. I have a bike hauling trailer for hauling bike treasure home, I have a toddler hauling trailer for longer trips with my LO, and the one below, my grocery getter. I really had thought about cutting out the seat, but it makes a nice separation in the trailer so my milk doesn't crush my bread. I'm hauling a kid most of the time with any of them...the toddler trailer lets me use just about any bike in the fleet, which is enjoyable.