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Old 07-19-13 | 08:10 AM
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I don't mind plate reading technology in the hands of law enforcement. Just recently, a felon, wanted for murder in a city several hundred miles away, was arrested when the license plate of the stolen vehicle he was driving was read by one of our LEO's plate scanner. Though in the hands of private industry, I would be a little more reluctant in their having this technology.
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Old 07-19-13 | 09:11 AM
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If it:

1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle

I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
Yawn... this whole "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" line is lame. I would suggest you remind Jean Charles de Menezes that if he had nothing to hide he had nothing to fear but unfortunately he's dead. Having nothing to hide didn't do him much good.
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Old 07-19-13 | 09:17 AM
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wired land line , no cell Phone.. and ride the bike. , or drive an antique car , VW old Bug?
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Old 07-19-13 | 09:33 AM
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Resistance is futile. LOL.

Privacy invasion or not cameras are coming. Just read some of the comments in the commuting forum. People are putting cameras on their bikes for their own protection. It is inevitable that businesses, govts and others will do the same for their protection as well. Somewhere lawyers will recommend retention policies for avoiding future lawsuits. I don't think the cameras are going away. We are going to have to learn to live with them.

I am NOT one of those who believes the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" line. We are already hiding information from others. When you buy from an online supplier you are careful about who you give your SSN and other credit card info to. Maybe you even check their privacy policy. You don't find my name address in any of my online profiles on any forums. Think about it for a minute.
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Old 07-19-13 | 10:33 AM
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I could really care less.
Sounds like actually you could NOT care less.
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Old 07-19-13 | 10:37 AM
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I knew that line would show up eventually, Benjie tell um what you think of that!

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Old 07-19-13 | 10:50 AM
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I use a GoPhone (pay in advance) that is not in my name (don't ask how). It is only turned ON once or twice a week and rare emergencies. I feel anonymous for the most part.
Yeah but you have an entire website dedicated to your life with your name on it.
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Old 07-19-13 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by megalowmatt
Yeah but you have an entire website dedicated to your life with your name on it.
This is true. "They" know EXACTLY where my Websites are at all times.

I have at least three alias names as well. Joey Bike, Joey Brooks, Joseph D. My real name, the one on my birth certificate, is fortunately the same as several famous sports celebs and politicians. A Google search for my real name is "interesting", so at least "they" would be entertained sorting all of that out.

Anyone can be found eventually. Not all of us can be TRACKED in real-time.

I had jury duty yesterday. I can be found for sure.

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Old 07-19-13 | 11:12 AM
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Yeah but you have an entire website dedicated to your life with your name on it.
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Old 07-19-13 | 11:22 AM
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There is no deleting. Once it's online the "fish has been released into the ocean" where it spawns and spreads all over. Put something online, it stays online. No use deleting.

Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.

Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.

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Old 07-19-13 | 11:43 AM
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Drone tracks every car and pedestrian

The ARGUS-IS can view an area of 15 sq/miles in a single image.

The system automatically tracks any moving object it can see, including both vehicles and individuals on foot, highlighting them with coloured boxes so they can be easily identified.

'So you can go back and say I'd like to see what happened at this particular location three days, two hours [and] four minutes ago, and it will actually show you what happened as if you were watching it live,' said Mr Antoniades.




I think details in the story are exaggerated, but most of it is probably true.

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Old 07-19-13 | 12:08 PM
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Drone tracks every car and pedestrian
As yet, bikes cannot be tracked. I hear they are trying to fix that deficiency, but are running into difficulty given the erratic and unpredictable behavior of bike commuters.
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Old 07-19-13 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn
I don't mind plate reading technology in the hands of law enforcement. Just recently, a felon, wanted for murder in a city several hundred miles away, was arrested when the license plate of the stolen vehicle he was driving was read by one of our LEO's plate scanner. Though in the hands of private industry, I would be a little more reluctant in their having this technology.
As long as data is deleted as a matter of routine I have less of an issue with it, for precisely this kind of reason.

When data isn't routinely deleted and merely accumulates I get more agitated at the thought of my every move being watched, recorded, and potentially used against me at some future time.
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Old 07-19-13 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
There is no deleting. Once it's online the "fish has been released into the ocean" where it spawns and spreads all over. Put something online, it stays online. No use deleting.

Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.

Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.
No, your MAC is only known by your router.

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Old 07-19-13 | 12:46 PM
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No, your MAC is only known by your router. M.
How does my bank know when I switch computers using the same router? Assumed it was my MAC address ratting me out.
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Old 07-19-13 | 12:47 PM
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As yet, bikes cannot be tracked. I hear they are trying to fix that deficiency, but are running into difficulty given the erratic and unpredictable behavior of bike commuters.
I resemble that remark!
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Old 07-19-13 | 12:56 PM
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I love that people are posting on the internet challenges like "track me big brother!". The reams of personal data available to advertisers, corporate interests, private individuals and yes, government agencies just by logging into Bike Forums is enough to blow my mind.

Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in.

Let's face it privacy, even with regards to where and when you have been somewhere, is rapidly disappearing and there isn't much any of us can do about it other than create illusions of control like having a land line for "emergency purposes only."- yeah, good luck with that.
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Old 07-19-13 | 01:06 PM
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How does my bank know when I switch computers using the same router? Assumed it was my MAC address ratting me out.
The website's written a cookie or some other temp file the page is coded to look for. If you were to visit the site, log out, delete it's records and log back in again, it would throw a flag.

Buzzman, it makes me upset that people can make money off of me without me being aware, or even getting a cut.
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Old 07-19-13 | 02:15 PM
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Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in. ...
Hence the idea of wearing a cap with IR leds on the brim. It creates havoc with digital cameras.
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Old 07-19-13 | 02:20 PM
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No, your MAC is only known by your router.

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Old 07-19-13 | 02:40 PM
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I think JoeyBike is actually Elvis Presley, still alive and avoiding attention by bicycle commuting.
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Old 07-19-13 | 02:42 PM
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I think JoeyBike is actually Elvis Presley, still alive and avoiding attention by bicycle commuting.
Could I be Bruce Lee instead? Nothing against Elvis, but I have never been very Elvis-like in girth.
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Old 07-20-13 | 06:40 AM
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and to activex with IE browser.
that's on your own computer. It isn't broadcast unless a web page reads it from your computer, which isn't generally done.
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Old 07-20-13 | 07:34 AM
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that's on your own computer. It isn't broadcast unless a web page reads it from your computer, which isn't generally done.
True it's not transmitted in request headers, but I'm not sure that's very comforting. the web page would access an active component, possibly using javascript if you wish, which reads the information and sends it to the web page script. There will be security alerts depending on your settings.

It's mostly pointless though. We generally care more about identifying a user session than a physical network interface, and tracking is more through ip addresses. Except for mobile. tracking a wi-fi mobile device and targeting external ads and services is a hot thing now.
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Old 07-20-13 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nudave2005
If it:

1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle

I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
THIS. I'm not worried in the slightest if I'm being monitored; somebody wants me, I'm here, and I'm ALWAYS ready for it. I can't leave my own property without my 'personal radar' clicking on, a leftover from my military days....

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Hypothetical ancillary benefits notwithstanding, tracking and collection of your personal information will be used to control you and to restrict your liberties.
Get over it; your 'liberties' have always been limited. NO ONE is as free as they would like to believe. And, realistically, unless you live alone on an island, you can't expect to be. ANY TIME your 'rights' and 'liberties' infringe on someone else's, you're out of line.
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