Avoid government detection... by riding..
#26
I don't mind plate reading technology in the hands of law enforcement. Just recently, a felon, wanted for murder in a city several hundred miles away, was arrested when the license plate of the stolen vehicle he was driving was read by one of our LEO's plate scanner. Though in the hands of private industry, I would be a little more reluctant in their having this technology.
#27
2 Fat 2 Furious
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,996
Likes: 2
From: England
Bikes: 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Comp Disc, 2009 Specialized Tricross Sport RIP
If it:
1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle
I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle
I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
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#29
Resistance is futile. LOL.
Privacy invasion or not cameras are coming. Just read some of the comments in the commuting forum. People are putting cameras on their bikes for their own protection. It is inevitable that businesses, govts and others will do the same for their protection as well. Somewhere lawyers will recommend retention policies for avoiding future lawsuits. I don't think the cameras are going away. We are going to have to learn to live with them.
I am NOT one of those who believes the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" line. We are already hiding information from others. When you buy from an online supplier you are careful about who you give your SSN and other credit card info to. Maybe you even check their privacy policy. You don't find my name address in any of my online profiles on any forums. Think about it for a minute.
Privacy invasion or not cameras are coming. Just read some of the comments in the commuting forum. People are putting cameras on their bikes for their own protection. It is inevitable that businesses, govts and others will do the same for their protection as well. Somewhere lawyers will recommend retention policies for avoiding future lawsuits. I don't think the cameras are going away. We are going to have to learn to live with them.
I am NOT one of those who believes the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" line. We are already hiding information from others. When you buy from an online supplier you are careful about who you give your SSN and other credit card info to. Maybe you even check their privacy policy. You don't find my name address in any of my online profiles on any forums. Think about it for a minute.
#30
Señior Member
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 13,748
Likes: 10
From: Michigan
Bikes: Windsor Fens, Giant Seek 0 (2014, Alfine 8 + discs)
#31
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 903
Likes: 5
From: East L.A.
Bikes: Diamondback Insight, Motobecane Mirage
I knew that line would show up eventually, Benjie tell um what you think of that!
-"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
#32
#33
I have at least three alias names as well. Joey Bike, Joey Brooks, Joseph D. My real name, the one on my birth certificate, is fortunately the same as several famous sports celebs and politicians. A Google search for my real name is "interesting", so at least "they" would be entertained sorting all of that out.
Anyone can be found eventually. Not all of us can be TRACKED in real-time.
I had jury duty yesterday. I can be found for sure.
Last edited by JoeyBike; 07-19-13 at 11:56 AM.
#35
There is no deleting. Once it's online the "fish has been released into the ocean" where it spawns and spreads all over. Put something online, it stays online. No use deleting.
Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.
Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.
Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.
Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.
Last edited by JoeyBike; 07-19-13 at 11:27 AM.
#36
Drone tracks every car and pedestrian
The ARGUS-IS can view an area of 15 sq/miles in a single image.
The system automatically tracks any moving object it can see, including both vehicles and individuals on foot, highlighting them with coloured boxes so they can be easily identified.
'So you can go back and say I'd like to see what happened at this particular location three days, two hours [and] four minutes ago, and it will actually show you what happened as if you were watching it live,' said Mr Antoniades.

I think details in the story are exaggerated, but most of it is probably true.
The ARGUS-IS can view an area of 15 sq/miles in a single image.
The system automatically tracks any moving object it can see, including both vehicles and individuals on foot, highlighting them with coloured boxes so they can be easily identified.
'So you can go back and say I'd like to see what happened at this particular location three days, two hours [and] four minutes ago, and it will actually show you what happened as if you were watching it live,' said Mr Antoniades.

I think details in the story are exaggerated, but most of it is probably true.
Last edited by rm -rf; 07-19-13 at 11:49 AM.
#37
#38
2 Fat 2 Furious
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,996
Likes: 2
From: England
Bikes: 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Comp Disc, 2009 Specialized Tricross Sport RIP
I don't mind plate reading technology in the hands of law enforcement. Just recently, a felon, wanted for murder in a city several hundred miles away, was arrested when the license plate of the stolen vehicle he was driving was read by one of our LEO's plate scanner. Though in the hands of private industry, I would be a little more reluctant in their having this technology.
When data isn't routinely deleted and merely accumulates I get more agitated at the thought of my every move being watched, recorded, and potentially used against me at some future time.
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#39
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,262
Likes: 23
From: Lexington Park, Maryland
Bikes: Current: Origami Crane 8, Trek 1200 Former: 2012 Schwinn Trailway
There is no deleting. Once it's online the "fish has been released into the ocean" where it spawns and spreads all over. Put something online, it stays online. No use deleting.
Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.
Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.
Also, posting here on BF (or Web surfing in general) gives everyone who wants it my IP address (public web access points), MAC address of my laptop or phone, and access to my Internet surfing trail (at least for a short time). So there is always a trail, I just try to keep it from being continuous 24/7 and leading directly to my sleeping quarters.
Easiest way for a hit-man to wack me would be to stake out my Post Office Box. I don't always send a courier to fetch the mail.
M.
#41
#42
I love that people are posting on the internet challenges like "track me big brother!". The reams of personal data available to advertisers, corporate interests, private individuals and yes, government agencies just by logging into Bike Forums is enough to blow my mind.
Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in.
Let's face it privacy, even with regards to where and when you have been somewhere, is rapidly disappearing and there isn't much any of us can do about it other than create illusions of control like having a land line for "emergency purposes only."- yeah, good luck with that.
Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in.
Let's face it privacy, even with regards to where and when you have been somewhere, is rapidly disappearing and there isn't much any of us can do about it other than create illusions of control like having a land line for "emergency purposes only."- yeah, good luck with that.
#43
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,262
Likes: 23
From: Lexington Park, Maryland
Bikes: Current: Origami Crane 8, Trek 1200 Former: 2012 Schwinn Trailway
Buzzman, it makes me upset that people can make money off of me without me being aware, or even getting a cut.
#44
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Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in. ...
Attempting to disappear on your bike sans cell phone, sans internet, sans credit/debit cards merely identifies you as, "Oh, yeah, the guy on the bike who pays cash for everything." while you're captured on camera at every convenience store and supermarket you shop in. ...
#47
#48
Randomhead
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 25,930
Likes: 4,825
From: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
#49
It's mostly pointless though. We generally care more about identifying a user session than a physical network interface, and tracking is more through ip addresses. Except for mobile. tracking a wi-fi mobile device and targeting external ads and services is a hot thing now.
#50
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Joined: Jun 2009
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If it:
1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle
I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
1) Finds a missing child, or
2) Prevents an unlicensed motor vehicle operator from driving and hitting us, or
3) Finds a stolen vehicle
I could really care less. Seriously, get over it. There's already camera's in the cities tracking you, who gives a rats ass if there's a camera on a POV tracking you. Unless you have something to hide..
Get over it; your 'liberties' have always been limited. NO ONE is as free as they would like to believe. And, realistically, unless you live alone on an island, you can't expect to be. ANY TIME your 'rights' and 'liberties' infringe on someone else's, you're out of line.








