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ellenDSD 09-15-05 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by bobvis
I've been commuting for all of three weeks on my ancient Schwinn Varsity. My Schwinn seems trusty, but it seems to think 12 miles per hour is a pretty good clip (or I pedal too slowly.) Also, the roads here are murderous, and it transmits every bump. Also, the frame is too big for me. As a male, I could see this causing problems some day if I am not careful.

I am wondering if I should get a new bike before investing money and time in a bike rack, panniers, lights, etc. Am I being too picky? After all, my commute is only five miles. Also, I work at a college campus, so I need to consider the fact that an expensive replacement might get stolen.

So, what do you think? Should I embrace my Schwinn Varsity and outfit it with all the commuting necessities? Or should I buy something new even though my commute is very short?

If I do buy new, should it be a cheap mountain bike? (If so, what would you recommend as having easy attachments for fenders or panniers?)

Should I get a touring bike? Or will that get stolen?

Oh, or I could get a folding bike!

Wow Bob! Lots of questions :)

I was riding an old mountain bike that just didn't fit me at all and it made my cycling uncomfortable. Sounds like you might be in the same boat. I bought a Trek 7200 hybrid/comfort type bike that is a dream to ride and inspires me to ride more often. I chose a hybrid because, in my humble opinion, it's the best of both worlds.

So I guess you need to do ask yourself some questions... Can you afford a new bike? How much biking experience have you had? Is the Schwinn your only exposure to bikes? What kind of terrain will you be riding on the most? Do you see yourself becoming even more interested in cycling, to the point that you ride more miles?

Once you've done some thinking, go to your LBS and try out their different models (mountain, hybrid, road). Which one feels right to you? Which one do you feel confident and secure on?

As for worrying about your bike getting stolen, the type of bike or how much it costs doesn't matter in the least. I've seen crap bikes get ripped off just as much as $1000+ rides. Get yourself the best lock that you can afford. The u-lock + cable combination seems to be a popular option for high crime areas. Just make sure you lock it up right and hope for the best. That's about all you can do.

I hope I've helped - Good luck to you and safe commuting :)

Daily Commute 09-16-05 03:02 AM

An "ancient Schwinn Varsity," cool.

I wouldn't spend a ton of money until you are sure the bike commuting thing sticks. I commuted for years on a hardtail MTB with a backpack and no fenders before I "invested" in my Surly CrossCheck with full commuting gear.

You might want to think about a MTB for two reasons. First, so you don't beat up a classic (IMHO) bike. Second, almost all college students ride MTBs, so it will blend in, making it less attractive to thieves. A road bike would stick out on any college bikerack.

Instead of buying a cheap new MTB, think about a decent used one. As to racks and panniers, I love mine. It's just a question of priorities. Don't drop a ton of cash until you are sure you've found a bike you're comfortable on. I don't know if that will be a MTB, road bike, cyclocross bike or touring bike.

If you're riding on the streets a lot at night, don't skimp on lighting. Buy the brightest, longest-lasting lights you can afford.

And there are a lot of commuters who go 12 mph. Don't sweat that.

And stay on the lookout for places inside to store your bike. Be very nice to the building staff. They may eventually let you use a closet or a corner of the basement.

tokolosh 09-16-05 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by ellenDSD
the type of bike or how much it costs doesn't matter in the least.

this may be true of the person stealing the bike, but it may not be at all true of the person who paid for it. personally i found that, level of theft being equal, the type of bike and how much it cost mattered to ME a great deal. this spring it got to where i didn't want to consider anything that cost more than a certain amount - not because i thought it would be safer, but just because i didn't want to care too much if someone took it.

ps - sorry, tact-challenged. i wish i'd seen the rest of what you just said a while ago!

ellenDSD 09-17-05 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by tokolosh
this may be true of the person stealing the bike, but it may not be at all true of the person who paid for it. personally i found that, level of theft being equal, the type of bike and how much it cost mattered to ME a great deal. this spring it got to where i didn't want to consider anything that cost more than a certain amount - not because i thought it would be safer, but just because i didn't want to care too much if someone took it.

ps - sorry, tact-challenged. i wish i'd seen the rest of what you just said a while ago!

LOL - that's ok! But I hope you do understand now that I meant that the type of bike doesn't matter to the thieves but matters a great deal to the owner :)

tokolosh 09-17-05 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by ellenDSD
LOL - that's ok! But I hope you do understand now that I meant that the type of bike doesn't matter to the thieves but matters a great deal to the owner :)

heh. i got that. actually, i think that was what got me so wrapped around the axle the second time it happened. when someone stole my old norco i think i felt i could sort of understand it; name brand, etc, all that, and besides i'm not 1000% sure the u-lock was closed that morning. but then when i came home a few weeks later and found my totally generic, securely locked, by-god-i-don't-care-just-gimme-a-bike replacement from the nearest sports store gone too, i was outraged. now that i'm actually biking more regularly i'm sort of leaning back in the other direction, so the input on this thread has been very helpful.

erik forsgren 09-18-05 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Daily Commute
What kind of bike works best for commuting? How should I equip it (including lighting)? What should I carry with me? What should I wear? How should I wash up at work? Have I missed any important questions?

These are the questions we see most frequently from new commuters. Before starting a new thread, take a look through here to see if it answers your questions. Feel free to add additional questions and, more importantly, to put in your two cents.

I have commuted on a bike for 20 years now and I can assure you that the most important issue is not the equipment of the bike or your clothing. The most important thing to survive in the jungle of traffic is to act in the traffic as though you were invisible to cardrivers pedestrians and so forth. You should not expect others to always respect the traffic rules, because they don't. There isn't any variety of faulty behaviour that I haven't encountered during these 20 years and I have been prepared for them. This attitude has kept me alive, not some sophisticated equipment or clothes.

Daily Commute 09-18-05 05:05 AM

Erik,


I know you weren't trying to pick a fight, but I try to avoid "controversial" subjects in this thread (other than to point out the controversy and move on). "Invisible cycling" is advocated strongly by some, and denounced equally strongly by others. Put "invisible" in the "Search the Forums" section and you will get some of the debates.

That said, you have an excellent point. The skill of riding through traffic is more important than equipment. That's why I suggested John Hurst's "Art of Urban Cycling." I recommended Hurst's book because it discusses the various approaches. Go to the library or bookstore, and look for other books nearby on the shelf. You will also find "Effective Cycling" by John Forrester. He advocates vehicular cycling ("VC"), which, in many ways, is the opposite of "invisible cycling." Hopefully, you will also find books that advocate the invisible cycling approach.

Edit: Below, you explain why you think cycling as if you were invisible makes you safer. Others say it makes you less safe. They say that you should cycle to be more visible by, for example, being in the center or left of the lane when cars can turn right. As I said, this is not the thread to debate the subject. Pointing out the controversy and letting people who want more informationto look it up should be the limit of this thread.

If you want to start another thread to debate vehicular cycling versus invisible cycling, I'm game. But I ask that you NOT use this thread for that argument.

RonH 09-18-05 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Daily Commute
If you want to start another thread to debate vehicular cycling versus invisible cycling, I'm game. But I ask that you NOT use this thread for that argument.

I AGREE.

erik forsgren 09-19-05 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Erik,


I know you weren't trying to pick a fight, but I try to avoid "controversial" subjects in this thread (other than to point out the controversy and move on). "Invisible cycling" is advocated strongly by some, and denounced equally strongly by others. Put "invisible" in the "Search the Forums" section and you will get some of the debates.

That said, you have an excellent point. The skill of riding through traffic is more important than equipment. That's why I suggested John Hurst's "Art of Urban Cycling." I recommended Hurst's book because it discusses the various approaches. Go to the library or bookstore, and look for other books nearby on the shelf. You will also find "Effective Cycling" by John Forrester. He advocates vehicular cycling ("VC"), which, in many ways, is the opposite of "invisible cycling." Hopefully, you will also find books that advocate the invisible cycling approach.

If you want to start another thread to debate vehicular cycling versus invisible cycling, I'm game. But I ask that you NOT use this thread for that argument.

To be honest I am not the least interested in the debate on vehicular cycling versus invisible cycling I was only giving my piece of advice as to how you are to survive in urban traffic. I see too many cyclists who risk their lives every day because of faulty behavior in traffic and as far as I can see the only solution if you want to survive is to follow my advice- act as though the others don't see you.

77Univega 10-09-05 06:59 PM

--- Another word for newby commuters. Two things that make the ride easier:
1. Properly inflated tires. ( You already knew that)
2. LUBE the CHAIN. Amazing how much easier the bike pedals and shifts when the chain has been lubricated.

Personally, I use Tri-Flow. A friend suggests Pro-Link. Do a "Search The Forums" and you'll find a LOT of chain lube advice.

g.brew 10-12-05 01:57 PM

i recently bought some Park "super patches" these have downsized my saddle pack load considerably. But the question is... do they work? I would assume with a name like Park they would work just fine. anyone with some first hand experience?

caloso 10-17-05 05:46 PM

In my experience they work to get you back on the road but shouldn't be relied upon as a permanent fix. When you get home, you'll want to put on a real patch.

grassrootscycle 10-19-05 02:37 AM

Good post, helped a lot

peregrine 10-26-05 12:41 AM

there's a question on brakes i'd like to ask and i'm sorry if it's already been asked before

i commute on a Fuji Cross Comp that i bought about a month ago. it has Tektro Oryx Cantilever brakes that have a good stopping power as far as i can tell. the problem is that they always squeak when it's raining. i'm not sure if that's normal or if there're better pads i could use or if it happens 'cause the bike is relatively new. what do you think?

thanks

caloso 10-26-05 10:21 AM

This is a question that might be directed to the Bike Mechanics subforum. I think it depends on your pads and your rims. My two cents is that Kool-Stop brake pads have excellent wet weather stopping power and they don't squeak on my bike.

Bob_Benner 11-01-05 02:49 AM

Hello everyone. I am brand new to the forums here and I am going to start riding a bike to work everyday. I have owned many Mountain Bikes in the past, but haven't ridden in about 3 years. I am looking at buying an Ibex flat bar road bike. I was wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on Ibex bicycles, and if anyone here owns one. I am trying to stay under 600.00 on my new bike. I was thinking about about a Breezer Uptown 8, but I like the feel of a road bike a little better. Thanks

Daily Commute 11-05-05 02:29 PM

If your commute is longer than a mile or two, you will probably regret getting a Breezer, especially since you like the feel of a road bike. Breezer's are great bikes. And if you like to slowly toodle your way to work, they may be perfect for your needs (I am not being sarcastic, I realize that some people enjoy nice, slow rides).

I can't speak to the Ibex, but keep enough in your budget to buy the necessary extras like repair kits, extra tubes, rain gear, lighting, etc. A fully equipped $300 bike will probably serve you better than a $600 bike by itself.

vrkelley 11-05-05 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bob_Benner
Hello everyone. I am brand new to the forums here and I am going to start riding a bike to work everyday. I have owned many Mountain Bikes in the past, but haven't ridden in about 3 years. I am looking at buying an Ibex flat bar road bike. I was wondering if anyone could give me some feedback on Ibex bicycles, and if anyone here owns one. I am trying to stay under 600.00 on my new bike. I was thinking about about a Breezer Uptown 8, but I like the feel of a road bike a little better. Thanks

How about calling around your local shops and trying to rent one for a day or two. If you don't like it...you're not stuck.

vrkelley 11-05-05 06:05 PM

LLB gives some very good all around advice for commuters.

http://www.llbean.com/outdoorsOnline.../index_sv.html

trmcgeehan 11-06-05 04:38 AM

I got a really nice bright yellow sleeveless vest at Walmart for $15. It has deep zippered pockets, and is really warm.

57commuter 11-07-05 09:44 PM

This is a great thread. For my 2c worth, always wear some form of eye protection. Some years ago, when young and brave and in twighlight conditions, rode in to some (slow) insects, one of which exploded against my eye. Pain awful. 20 minute lecture from my doctor, bottom line was broken insects can release toxins which would permanantly damage vision. Very lucky not to have damaged my sight. I always wear glasses now, even if they do fog up in winter!

mechBgon 11-08-05 12:57 AM

I'm very fond of the American AllSafe "Cudas" glasses. These are made as safety glasses and they work well against gravel, bugs, etc. As you can see, they are inexpensive at US$7.50. I just ordered up some clear ones for winter commuting. The same company makes other styles too, some of which are sleeker (click the "other products" link if interested).

Great thread :) I have a few random remarks to add...

1) blinkies are wonderful :) I've noticed basic 3-LED blinkies from ~3 blocks back in daylight on other cyclists' bikes in the city. They catch one's eye, and I think they are becoming identified with cyclists especially. With the runtime that they get, you might as well run your blinkies in the daytime too, especially if you have a decent one.

2) if you have a rechargeable light system that has enough runtime to do so, run it in the daytime for enhanced visibility. Don't die with your headlight off and fully-charged, that's what I say. :lol:

3) if you ride in the dark, and are open to the idea of sticking reflective tape onto stuff, look for the amber color. It's more visible than red, and it does not necessarily imply either rear or front, so you can use it all over the place. I got some very powerfully-adhesive amber glass-bead tape at a local store's auto-parts section and put some on my frame, fork blades, helmet and left crankarm. Got to get some more and stick it to the rims...

4) People who ride in wet conditions, have rim brakes (not disc), and have to stop a lot: check the amount of brakepad material you've got left every once in a while. Wet conditions eat up your pads much faster.

5) People who are getting started and have a low-to-middle-budget bicycle: if your bike comes with no-name spokes, and you break a spoke, just have the wheel rebuilt with quality spokes and be done with it. Cheap original-equipment spokes might be OK for the occasional rider, but if you're a commuter, you deserve DT or Wheelsmith at least on your rear wheel.

:beer:

sebran 11-08-05 12:08 PM

Great thread and great advice by all!

I have a 14 mile commute each way on rural highways. I started commuting a few days per week this past spring.

This may draw flames, but I have a method that reduces the stress/commitment of bike commuting. I haul the bike to work on Monday with clothes, meal replacement shakes, etc. Then I ride home in the evening and back the next morning. If it is raining or I must work late, I can drive home. Plus, I have a vehicle at work if something pops up that requires travel to another facility. No worries about getting stuck at work, and I ride unencumbered (except for my Camelback).

I totally respect the folks who have the commitment to bike commute full time. However, I don't feel like my work & family situations allow me to spend an extra 10 hours per week commuting. This solution saves some gas and provides a good workout a few times per week. It might be a good way for new commuters or those without public transport to test the waters.

caloso 11-08-05 01:01 PM

No flames from me, and I doubt from anyone on this forum. Every mile counts.

Daily Commute 11-08-05 07:50 PM

No flames from me, either. Having a back-up plan is one key to making bike commuting work. In my case, I can use an office car for work purposes once I get to the office. I can also take the bus to and from work in a pinch (and put my bike on the front of the bus).

vegcrow 12-08-05 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by sebran
I totally respect the folks who have the commitment to bike commute full time. However, I don't feel like my work & family situations allow me to spend an extra 10 hours per week commuting.

You're trying harder than the vast majority of the population. Keep it up, and maybe over time you'll refine your system to bike full time. But even if you stick with the car+bike solution, you are making a difference. If you're interested in saving time AND gas, check out Vectrix scooters. I'm getting one as soon as they ship out in 2006, and I think at that point I'll be able to forever put away my car keys. :)

ken cummings 12-22-05 09:42 PM

Bob Brenner ~#138

onsidering the weather in Seattle I hope fenders are on your plan. And heavier tires. Ask at your lbs if drop bars can be swapped for the flat bars as needed. I trained for my first double century on a mountain bike by pipe clamping drop bars to my flattish handlebars. A Bruce Gordon bike usually has quick releases on some of its cables deliberately so you can swap handlebar types quickly.

Tettsuo 01-05-06 05:02 PM

What do you folks pack your work clothes in so that they don't get it all wrinklie?

truman 01-05-06 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Tettsuo
What do you folks pack your work clothes in so that they don't get it all wrinklie?

I take a load of clean, pressed khakis and shirts to work every whenever I have to drive in for some other reason, and just change there.

Daily Commute 01-06-06 05:30 PM

Rolling instead of folding will help keep your clothes less wrinkled. I stick the rolled clothes in a plastic grocery bag, just in case something else in my saddlebag leaks.


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