8 miles, up.
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Didn't get a level and a protractor, sorry. Tried mapquest, google maps, but don't give elevations. I can get up the hills, sometimes have to drop to lowest gear, 30/32. Just want more low gear options, lowest gear doesn't necessarily need to climb a wall, but want a better low range to get more comfortable in the climbs.
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Dreamin' of Bemidji Down the Mississippi (in part)
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Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
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Didn't get a level and a protractor, sorry. Tried mapquest, google maps, but don't give elevations. I can get up the hills, sometimes have to drop to lowest gear, 30/32. Just want more low gear options, lowest gear doesn't necessarily need to climb a wall, but want a better low range to get more comfortable in the climbs.
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This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
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Per the OP, "Granted, coming home is a blast. Downhill 8 miles".
Evidently it is not rolling terrain.
Evidently it is not rolling terrain.
Talk about a good example of how math and "statistics" can lead to wrong conclusions.
This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
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Talk about a good example of how math and "statistics" can lead to wrong conclusions.
This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
Cheapest, possibly best option, from a fitness/cycling perspective.
Fastest problem solved, chain the cranks and rings to the deore touring set I posted, and the cassette to the 12-36, 29'er.
Gives you quite a few options and a much lower range.
Next best, and cheaper than above, put the fewest # of teeth on your small chainring, just not sure how much lower you can get the gearing on the 105 crank/spindle.
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buzzman, where in the berkshires are you. I was just out there for an overnight in adams, n adams & williamstown. there are some serious hills out there for sure. hope you got better tires for those descents, can't imagine a flat then would be pleasant
buzzman, where in the berkshires are you. I was just out there for an overnight in adams, n adams & williamstown. there are some serious hills out there for sure. hope you got better tires for those descents, can't imagine a flat then would be pleasant
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Mine is about 500 feet change according to googling elevation points...so I go down 200 feet in about a mile, then I'm at the river. Cross river, and start climbing 500 feet over 8 miles with a couple of miles of flat here and there. Sounds like nothing compared to your climb but again, so conditioned to 12 miles right next to the Pacific Ocean, don't think I could've gotten a flatter commute if it tried. I'm going to look into a few options. Also seems like my bike doesn't climb efficiently out of the saddle. Got a trek 520, maybe it's my Arms and legs that are noodly and not the frame....running 32s nothing too fat, good tire pressure. Going to do a few adjustments, and keep truckin!
To Rumrun- I'm in Becket at the top of a mountain I leave my front door and am hitting 40 mph within a couple of minutes without spinning the pedals. Coming home is a little tougher.
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IF you are managing with the 30:32 combo, I'd just change the cassette and see how that works. You might not need any other changes that might affect shifting quality on the front.
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This would be like looking at a cross country bike ride of 3000 miles where the highest elevation was 6500' and saying the average grade was so minimal I would not need much gearing. Can't we just take the OP at his word and help him figure out how to make his new commute a fun challenge rather than a grueling trial every day. My reason for asking about elevation gain was simply to figure out what kind of climbing the commute involved- short steep climbs? One long climb? A bunch of "rollers"? IMO, this helps in knowing what kind of gearing, bike choice, tire sizes and riding style would best help the rider.
One other strategy is a training strategy. Often commuting cyclists use their commutes and transportation needs as the sole means by which they achieve fitness and that can be effective. But when you get a sudden change in your commute, like the OP, sometimes it's worth it to devote some time to some training rides. Taking a day and finding the toughest, steepest, longest climb you can and doing a series of hill repeats until you can't do one more and then giving yourself a couple of days for recovery and then going back to your commute may make those hills feel like nothing in no time. (Repeat as necessary)
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8 miles, up.
Ok, I got mapmyride, but I guess I didn't hit record, and didnt realize it recorded elevation, so Thursday I will hit record and submit the results. It is rolling, but rolling up apparently. The uphills on the way home are nothing, no concerns and have 3 very decent descents, ended abruptly by stop lights, signs, etc. the overall change in elevation, again, is not a crazy amount, but it kicks my butt. Hoping in a few months it will be much easier since my body and brain are a little more used to it.
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Ok, I got mapmyride, but I guess I didn't hit record, and didnt realize it recorded elevation, so Thursday I will hit record and submit the results. It is rolling, but rolling up apparently. The uphills on the way home are nothing, no concerns and have 3 very decent descents, ended abruptly by stop lights, signs, etc. the overall change in elevation, again, is not a crazy amount, but it kicks my butt. Hoping in a few months it will be much easier since my body and brain are a little more used to it.
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Be advised that Shimano doesn't recommend using the 12-36 cassette on regular road hubs due to the torque you can generate with that 36T cog:
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
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Be advised that Shimano doesn't recommend using the 12-36 cassette on regular road hubs due to the torque you can generate with that 36T cog:
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
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I will map it out and let you know
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Ok, I got mapmyride, but I guess I didn't hit record, and didnt realize it recorded elevation, so Thursday I will hit record and submit the results. It is rolling, but rolling up apparently. The uphills on the way home are nothing, no concerns and have 3 very decent descents, ended abruptly by stop lights, signs, etc. the overall change in elevation, again, is not a crazy amount, but it kicks my butt. Hoping in a few months it will be much easier since my body and brain are a little more used to it.
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I remember when the 12-36 first came out. Some people got all excited, like it was going to unleash their climbing prowess. The reality is that it's only one gear inch lower than a 12-34. Extra torque? I think that's shameless hype.
Be advised that Shimano doesn't recommend using the 12-36 cassette on regular road hubs due to the torque you can generate with that 36T cog:
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
Shimano HG61 9-Speed Cassettes.
FW6005
12-36t 29'er-specific cassettes must be used with either M529 (6-bolt) or M629 (centerlock) hubs, which are designed and manufactured specifically to withstand the extra torque load exerted by the 36t low gear
Use of the 12-36t cassettes with other hubs may result in hub-failure and may void warranty coverage
If you can put a smaller granny ring on that triple, that's what I'd do.
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If you think the quoted text is marketing hype, you're reading it far differently than intended -- which is that the road hubs (in particular the ratchet mechanism) are about as strong as they need to be for smaller cogs, and 36T pushes them past their design.
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Didn't get a level and a protractor, sorry. Tried mapquest, google maps, but don't give elevations. I can get up the hills, sometimes have to drop to lowest gear, 30/32. Just want more low gear options, lowest gear doesn't necessarily need to climb a wall, but want a better low range to get more comfortable in the climbs.
So if you state the starting and ending points, a chart will appear magically




