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Side note: I was intrigued by this one as a possibility, but apparently it's a 3, not an 8 speed.
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/bik/4075427062.html
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/bik/4075427062.html
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#27
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sareybelle, I don't have any advice for you (looks like others have got you well taken care of though), I just want to say that just reading your post made me happy. How cool that, not only are you riding, but you're riding through pregnancy, and planning to ride with a baby! Too many would take the easy way out and just bail out to the car. I'm not saying you might not still need to use a car sometimes (check carefully about when it is OK for a baby's head/neck/spine to bounce around in a trailer), but in any case, Good on ya!
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Been thinking about the safest way to bike transport an infant, and one of those cargo bikes (bakfiets or long john) with the bin low to the ground or a trailer with an infant carrier/car seat or equivalent secured in it seems like it would be the safest way. I know lots of people use the Topeak type seats and don't worry about the safety, but lots of people do lots of things.
I then went and searched for some articles to see how infants could be carried safely. Both that I found were fairly negative on it citing the bouncing not being good for them no matter how they were secured.
https://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/24/c...oo-young-22374
I realize you can't avoid doing everything out of fear, but it appears to be a legitimate risk benefit analysis.
I agree with RubeRad though, bravo to you for your efforts.
I then went and searched for some articles to see how infants could be carried safely. Both that I found were fairly negative on it citing the bouncing not being good for them no matter how they were secured.
https://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/24/c...oo-young-22374
I realize you can't avoid doing everything out of fear, but it appears to be a legitimate risk benefit analysis.
I agree with RubeRad though, bravo to you for your efforts.
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Been thinking about the safest way to bike transport an infant, and one of those cargo bikes (bakfiets or long john) with the bin low to the ground or a trailer with an infant carrier/car seat or equivalent secured in it seems like it would be the safest way. I know lots of people use the Topeak type seats and don't worry about the safety, but lots of people do lots of things.
I then went and searched for some articles to see how infants could be carried safely. Both that I found were fairly negative on it citing the bouncing not being good for them no matter how they were secured.
https://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/24/c...oo-young-22374
I realize you can't avoid doing everything out of fear, but it appears to be a legitimate risk benefit analysis.
I agree with RubeRad though, bravo to you for your efforts.
I then went and searched for some articles to see how infants could be carried safely. Both that I found were fairly negative on it citing the bouncing not being good for them no matter how they were secured.
https://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
https://bikeportland.org/2009/08/24/c...oo-young-22374
I realize you can't avoid doing everything out of fear, but it appears to be a legitimate risk benefit analysis.
I agree with RubeRad though, bravo to you for your efforts.
Good articles nonetheless, and lots more to think about.
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UPDATE: Talked it over with my husband and the Soma Buena Vista build up was a non starter. I straight up, legitimately cried on the ride home from a taco shop. Not really about the bike so much as being suddenly overwhelmed by the consequences of our life choices. On one level, I've always been very thrifty, pragmatic, and not in the least bit acquisitive. Most of our home furnishings are care of Craigslist, my wedding dress was used, hell I wash ziploc bags and tin foil for reuse. But suddenly I was overtaken by the urge to have something new, nice, and uniquely mine, maybe because the possibility of having anything like that in the future seems so remote. I'm over it now, but wow... I guess it was a mid pregnancy crisis. Technically the baby will be new and uniquely mine/ours, so I'll have to settle for that. 
Upwards and onwards, I decided to order a Civia Twin City from my favorite local bicycle shop and will stop by there later today. Now I'm just waffling between the 5 and 7 speed internal hub. I spoke to a fellow at the shop about it and he described the difference as such: the 5 speed has 80% of the gearing of the 7 speed, losing 10% at the low and high ends. Unfortunately, they don't have any Civias built at the store and the other 5/7 speeds they do carry don't use the same hubs, but he said I could try what they have, and he'd check the gear ratios to give me a better idea of what I could expect. Why did I ever doubt buying new from a bike shop? When they're good, they're great.
So, any advice on the 5/7 issue? I ride the Capital Bikeshares beasts frequently and NEVER use the 1st gear, it's like clown college. I do fine with 2nd/3rd, so would 5 be plenty?
Also, does anyone know if the integrated (welded on) rack on the Civia Twin City would be compatible with a child seat, if I ever wanted to put one on?
ALSO, people on here have noted the odd rear "roller" brakes on the Civias, and my husband pointed that out in the specs as well. Someone also noted that it's possible to switch them out if desired. Probably my husband could do that and he gets parts wholesale. Furthermore, the geometry as I've seen it pictured is not quite as upright as I'd like it at the moment, though I will probably prefer it in the long term. Do you think I could add a different stem to raise the handlebars a bit? Any other thoughts on the practicality of such upgrades would be welcome. I'm already getting a different saddle, grips and kickstand. Don't want the little fixes to put me up in Soma territory. OR DO I? It would make a good O'Henry story.
Thanks everyone!

Upwards and onwards, I decided to order a Civia Twin City from my favorite local bicycle shop and will stop by there later today. Now I'm just waffling between the 5 and 7 speed internal hub. I spoke to a fellow at the shop about it and he described the difference as such: the 5 speed has 80% of the gearing of the 7 speed, losing 10% at the low and high ends. Unfortunately, they don't have any Civias built at the store and the other 5/7 speeds they do carry don't use the same hubs, but he said I could try what they have, and he'd check the gear ratios to give me a better idea of what I could expect. Why did I ever doubt buying new from a bike shop? When they're good, they're great.
So, any advice on the 5/7 issue? I ride the Capital Bikeshares beasts frequently and NEVER use the 1st gear, it's like clown college. I do fine with 2nd/3rd, so would 5 be plenty?
Also, does anyone know if the integrated (welded on) rack on the Civia Twin City would be compatible with a child seat, if I ever wanted to put one on?
ALSO, people on here have noted the odd rear "roller" brakes on the Civias, and my husband pointed that out in the specs as well. Someone also noted that it's possible to switch them out if desired. Probably my husband could do that and he gets parts wholesale. Furthermore, the geometry as I've seen it pictured is not quite as upright as I'd like it at the moment, though I will probably prefer it in the long term. Do you think I could add a different stem to raise the handlebars a bit? Any other thoughts on the practicality of such upgrades would be welcome. I'm already getting a different saddle, grips and kickstand. Don't want the little fixes to put me up in Soma territory. OR DO I? It would make a good O'Henry story.
Thanks everyone!
#32
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sareybelle, I don't have any advice for you (looks like others have got you well taken care of though), I just want to say that just reading your post made me happy. How cool that, not only are you riding, but you're riding through pregnancy, and planning to ride with a baby! Too many would take the easy way out and just bail out to the car. I'm not saying you might not still need to use a car sometimes (check carefully about when it is OK for a baby's head/neck/spine to bounce around in a trailer), but in any case, Good on ya!
BUT I know Chariot makes car seat holders for their single trailers... or you could just take that car seat base and bolt it to the front of your Bakfiets.
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--Ben
2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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#33
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Background: I've been commuting in the DC area for 16 years, riding a German Kettler Silverstar with a step-through frame, Nexus 7 speed, and front and rear roller brakes. I figure I've put around 50,000 all-weather miles on it. That's included five years pulling my daughter in a trailer and five years on a Trail-A-Bike. The bike is similar to the Twin City except it has hub dynamo lights and front and rear rollerbrakes.
My understanding is that the five speed Nexus has a smaller range of gear ratios than does the seven. There's no way I'd want less than the seven, given some of the hills here. That is even more true when pulling a child. Get the Nexus 7; don't even think twice about it. I've never ridden a CaBi bike, so I can't comment upon their gearing.
Before I got my Kettler, I rode a hybrid with rim brakes. I went through a front rim every winter, due to all the sand and salt they dump on the roads. Replacing brake pads was a hassle, and braking in the wet and snow was not satisfactory. The Kettler was a big relief. I'd stick with the rollerbrake.
Most of the Dutch and German commuter bikes have integral rear racks and child seats are compatible with them.
Bike shops raise stems all the time; it's an easy fix.
Panniers are also a good idea. Some stuff does not like to be lashed to a rack.
The only other upgrade I would recommend is lights. A good dynamo system will put you in Soma territory. I think the convenience makes them a bargain. (I started riding because it was more convenient than driving, so I will always make "easy" choices.) However, a rear blinky and battery headlight, inconvenient and fiddly as they may be, are a cheap way to get a useful bike.
Paul
My understanding is that the five speed Nexus has a smaller range of gear ratios than does the seven. There's no way I'd want less than the seven, given some of the hills here. That is even more true when pulling a child. Get the Nexus 7; don't even think twice about it. I've never ridden a CaBi bike, so I can't comment upon their gearing.
Before I got my Kettler, I rode a hybrid with rim brakes. I went through a front rim every winter, due to all the sand and salt they dump on the roads. Replacing brake pads was a hassle, and braking in the wet and snow was not satisfactory. The Kettler was a big relief. I'd stick with the rollerbrake.
Most of the Dutch and German commuter bikes have integral rear racks and child seats are compatible with them.
Bike shops raise stems all the time; it's an easy fix.
Panniers are also a good idea. Some stuff does not like to be lashed to a rack.
The only other upgrade I would recommend is lights. A good dynamo system will put you in Soma territory. I think the convenience makes them a bargain. (I started riding because it was more convenient than driving, so I will always make "easy" choices.) However, a rear blinky and battery headlight, inconvenient and fiddly as they may be, are a cheap way to get a useful bike.
Paul
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If you can give specific tooth counts for front chainrings/rear cogs for your Jamis Aurora (or maybe that's available online?), and can describe which gears you typically need to use, and which you (almost) never have to use, I think the collective can boil that down to a range of gear-inches, and compare to the 5- or 7-spd range of the Civia.
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Background: I've been commuting in the DC area for 16 years, riding a German Kettler Silverstar with a step-through frame, Nexus 7 speed, and front and rear roller brakes. I figure I've put around 50,000 all-weather miles on it. That's included five years pulling my daughter in a trailer and five years on a Trail-A-Bike. The bike is similar to the Twin City except it has hub dynamo lights and front and rear rollerbrakes.
My understanding is that the five speed Nexus has a smaller range of gear ratios than does the seven. There's no way I'd want less than the seven, given some of the hills here. That is even more true when pulling a child. Get the Nexus 7; don't even think twice about it. I've never ridden a CaBi bike, so I can't comment upon their gearing.
Before I got my Kettler, I rode a hybrid with rim brakes. I went through a front rim every winter, due to all the sand and salt they dump on the roads. Replacing brake pads was a hassle, and braking in the wet and snow was not satisfactory. The Kettler was a big relief. I'd stick with the rollerbrake.
Most of the Dutch and German commuter bikes have integral rear racks and child seats are compatible with them.
Bike shops raise stems all the time; it's an easy fix.
Panniers are also a good idea. Some stuff does not like to be lashed to a rack.
The only other upgrade I would recommend is lights. A good dynamo system will put you in Soma territory. I think the convenience makes them a bargain. (I started riding because it was more convenient than driving, so I will always make "easy" choices.) However, a rear blinky and battery headlight, inconvenient and fiddly as they may be, are a cheap way to get a useful bike.
Paul
My understanding is that the five speed Nexus has a smaller range of gear ratios than does the seven. There's no way I'd want less than the seven, given some of the hills here. That is even more true when pulling a child. Get the Nexus 7; don't even think twice about it. I've never ridden a CaBi bike, so I can't comment upon their gearing.
Before I got my Kettler, I rode a hybrid with rim brakes. I went through a front rim every winter, due to all the sand and salt they dump on the roads. Replacing brake pads was a hassle, and braking in the wet and snow was not satisfactory. The Kettler was a big relief. I'd stick with the rollerbrake.
Most of the Dutch and German commuter bikes have integral rear racks and child seats are compatible with them.
Bike shops raise stems all the time; it's an easy fix.
Panniers are also a good idea. Some stuff does not like to be lashed to a rack.
The only other upgrade I would recommend is lights. A good dynamo system will put you in Soma territory. I think the convenience makes them a bargain. (I started riding because it was more convenient than driving, so I will always make "easy" choices.) However, a rear blinky and battery headlight, inconvenient and fiddly as they may be, are a cheap way to get a useful bike.
Paul
I do have 4 panniers but don't find them useful on a day to day basis because they're so awkward as handbags... however this could change. I guess I could park my bike in the garage and just leave them on. Probably not a bad idea if I'm getting a nice saddle & other nifty extras anyway. And speaking of which...
I am REALLY interested in dynamo lighting, especially this time of year. I will ask about that at the shop today. It might be a long term upgrade but one I hope to make someday. I have a very nice rechargable niterider that doesn't get a lot of use now because it doesn't fit well on my current bike, and I don't want to forget it and risk theft. So, I'm so glad you mentioned it because I can ask about mounting options while I'm there.
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If you can give specific tooth counts for front chainrings/rear cogs for your Jamis Aurora (or maybe that's available online?), and can describe which gears you typically need to use, and which you (almost) never have to use, I think the collective can boil that down to a range of gear-inches, and compare to the 5- or 7-spd range of the Civia.
(Seriously, I'll see if I can run outside a little later because I don't know off the top of my head. )
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But PaulH's experienced recommendation sounds good to me, I think you should probably just go for the 7. Information can't hurt though, if you want to know more about the gear ratios you use/need.
#39
This is Sheldon's excellent gear calculator:
https://sheldonbrown.com/gears/
Plug in the numbers for your current bike,then plug in the numbers for the bikes you're considering. This will help you figure out what you need.
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The Soma looks cool. I don't know how much of a tinkerer you or your husband are. But if you keep an eye on CL, you'll run across vintage mixte bikes for $150-200. Wouldn't be hard to swap in a 5 or 7 speed hub and powder coat the frame to your favorite unique, groovy color.
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The Soma looks cool. I don't know how much of a tinkerer you or your husband are. But if you keep an eye on CL, you'll run across vintage mixte bikes for $150-200. Wouldn't be hard to swap in a 5 or 7 speed hub and powder coat the frame to your favorite unique, groovy color.
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Makes sense. You need it now, not in six months.
(I thought the Soma you mentioned was a mixte, but I may have looked at the wrong model.)
(I thought the Soma you mentioned was a mixte, but I may have looked at the wrong model.)
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