I was looking for a cx bike to be used for commuting or cyclotourism .
following all your topics about the advantages of steel, I was impressed by all your comments regarding surly LHT.
In Italy it's not easy to find a surly dealer..
I think Cinelli Hobo can be considered quite similar to surly LHT .
what do you think about it?
and do you consider it suitable for commuting ( 7+7 km) and for tourism as well?

Looks appropriate , being in Italy they are there , never seen any out here on the US west coast .

doesn't have to stay As is .. the gearing can be changed .. stem certainly . to get the Fit Right for You.

IDK ... jobbing out the frame building, to other countries is so common these days ,
It could be made in Asia for Cinelli ,who may paint it in Italy and such .

Then be just like, LHT ... is a Taiwan built frame.
single companies supplying multiple brands .

there is a country of origin sticker that can be peeled off ,
look at them on the shop floor.

That bike is great for what you want it to do. It has all the bases covered, steel, room for wide tires, double eyelets, triple water bottle bosses. Really I can't see a downside.

The downside is I can't find one locally ; other than that it's a fine bike for the OP's purposes.

That looks like a great bike for commuting! I had never heard of the Cinelli Hobo, and it seems like quite a departure from their usual racing frames. It seems to have all of the bases covered with regard to geometry, mounts for fenders and racks, clearance for larger tires, etc. Go for it!

If BikeMig , flies to Italy, the odds of finding an Italian brand bike increase exponentially .

Absolutely. But perhaps I need to fly to Portland to pick up a hand built bike since that is such a hotbed of cycling, . https://madeinportland.org/bikes

It's a lot closer and there are fewer language barriers!

I would never buy a bike called a Hobo, unless perhaps it means something else in Italian, like "cool dude."

Gypsy has its own underclass negative connotation .. Roma, migrants from egypt .

no.in Italian HOBO has not particular meanings, but the concept itself of wandering around the world (with this bike) is attractive!
just to add a detail: the bike, together with tubus front rack and rear rack costs 1200 Euros

That is pricey but at least you can buy one with little hassle as compared to the LHT.

It looks very little like any Surly to me, but very much like a Salsa Vaya:

wonder if minus the fame of the old builder's name attached to it ,
if something similar is sold where you are.

and similar but less .. names add to perceived prestige, which adds to the price charged ,

which, in turn, having the famous name becomes part of the intangible value added .

read the badge , a peel off label of country of origin . Taiwan builds a lot of bikes for brands around the world.

tig welded steel frames are really common these days . and they all look similar , un painted.

Io non so, ma e possibile che 'hobo' significa, "Non ho la minima idea," vuol dire esattamente, "Io non ho boh!" (Scusa mio povere Italiano)