Locking Problem Solved?
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Got this off of Knog's website. For some reason, I thought the steel was a higher grade/rating.
Cable Diameter: Party Frank: Cable Diameter 12mm, Steel Cable Diameter 5mm.
Any suggestions for secondary lock? Not a huge fan of running a cable from the front to the rear with the lock. Too odd to lug around.
Thoughts? Thanks!
Cable Diameter: Party Frank: Cable Diameter 12mm, Steel Cable Diameter 5mm.
Any suggestions for secondary lock? Not a huge fan of running a cable from the front to the rear with the lock. Too odd to lug around.
Thoughts? Thanks!
Assuming you won't go for the 16mm minimum thickness Dlocks or chains what you probably need is actual deterrence more than true efficiency to avoid having your bike damaged by some failed attempt. Skewers are efficient but they are invisible. Your knog party franck lock brings weight but is not very efficient nor bring much deterrence. Your strongman lock is rated an average 3/5 by art (a test here)
https://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y-bike-locks-4
but it looks weak so that thieves could try to defeat it because of its apparent weakness damaging your bike during the process.
A mix of Dlock and cable is as good as the Dlock that hold the two together. A weak cable is no match when compared to a strong Dlock. This weak cable will still attract the thief that wants to make easy money by stealing the front wheel without having to deals with the strong Dlock at the rear wheel assuming that the cable protect the front wheel and the Dlock the rear wheel.
Furthermore, you will have hard time securing both your wheels and bike's frame to poles or racks with the strongman so you will need something else to do it.

Below: a weak chain here. A strong one is at least 16mm thick. A chain in o shape rather than 8 gives easy room for inserting a tool
Below: a good idea? even though the chain link is weak the shackles are not and will prevent a thief to ride, the weaknesses here are that it's easily pickable and that once the chain between the 2 shackles is cut the wheel is gone.
Below: why stop there? Two sides is better than just one.

Below: here is the result of what appears to be the combo Dlock + cable + skewers
Protection offered by the cable? Skewer?


Below: this chain is weak but the concept is there one heavy 1.2m or 1.5m 16mm minimum chain in place of 2 Dlocks. It's easier to attach to poles but it can be heavier than the 2 Dlocks combo. When you look at the ART list. 18mm Dlocks like Artago are rated 4 stars when some 14mm chains are rated 5 stars. At 16mm and thicker chains and Dlocks become impossible to bolt crop.
https://www.stichtingart.nl/sloten_resultaat.asp

Saddle? Handlebar? Pedals?

To protect the paint from the lock
For an uncoated Dlock: insert the lock shackle inside a vinyl tube/hose. If you want to make it permanent fill the gap between the hose and the shackle with some silicone rubber.
For a chain, an old inner tube will protect the paint and will allow you to attach the padlock to other chain links to keep it tight
If you wanna go further into securing your bike:
-alarms
-marking the frame
-registering your bike
-uglifying parts and frame
-fixing movable parts with silicone, a soldering iron, skewers...
-gps tracking
-places with video camera, security guards etc ....
Last edited by erig007; 11-11-13 at 02:39 PM.
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My Dutch is only passable so I didn't spend much time on the site. What do they say about being able to compromise the Bordo?
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I'm not sure what your point is. I said that I think it is more secure than any cable or chain and I still think that. It also seems equal or better than U-locks and I still think that. I'm not sure where you see a contradiction. That's like saying that I like apples and then saying that I like oranges—there's no contradiction in that statement.
My Dutch is only passable so I didn't spend much time on the site. What do they say about being able to compromise the Bordo?
My Dutch is only passable so I didn't spend much time on the site. What do they say about being able to compromise the Bordo?
SA does destructive testing on bike locks and grades them. The top Bordo is rated less secure than many chains and less secure than many u-locks. They do not discuss specific failure modes for rated locks.
There is a YouTube or Vimeo video out there that is about the type of testing Stichting Art does, and if i can find it, I will link to it for you. Perhaps you can glean insight from that.
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If you have some information available to back this up I'd be quite interested in it.
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It's said to be best if you have two completely different types of locks, like u-lock and cable. A thief would have to carry different tools to get around each. And.....a good cable lock will go around the odd thing that a u-lock won't. I don't eat fast crap but Cheryl likes Wendy's junk. The only thing there to lock to is their gas meter. Cable works. U-lock--several feet short.
This guy gets it right...........locks--not his hair.
Video 1 of 3.
There's 2 more + a few more.
For the biggest part, I go by the what he shows.
I think the best thing you have done is get a Knog. It is so different that I bank on crackheads moving to the next bike instead of figuring out how to defeat it. They are, by nature, too lazy to think.
This guy gets it right...........locks--not his hair.
Video 1 of 3.
There's 2 more + a few more.
For the biggest part, I go by the what he shows.
I think the best thing you have done is get a Knog. It is so different that I bank on crackheads moving to the next bike instead of figuring out how to defeat it. They are, by nature, too lazy to think.
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