Non-upright, 'modern', real commuter bike -- IGH/dynamo/etc, Out of the box ???
01-13-14, 07:47 AM
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Like I said, a pursuit bar (aka bullhorns) is a flat bar with bar ends, essentially.
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chaadster, just quit it. Most everyone knows any bar set up can be made whatever. The point being made was that typically bikes with flat bars are set up less for fast riding than bikes with drop bars, and that converting a bike from one to the other is non-trivial.
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Well I suspect they buy the bare F&F from Peter , last I read he had no Dealer Wholesale and was selling the remaining
Metro ones that were Not gates Belt Capable for around $700..
Metro ones that were Not gates Belt Capable for around $700..
01-13-14, 09:56 AM
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There's nothing non-trivial about it. Buy the parts and swap them.
01-13-14, 09:58 AM
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It depends on your definition of trivial. It's certainly more expensive and labour intensive than swapping say, a set of tires, or wheels, or handlebar grips, or brakes, or flipping a stem, etc.
Is everyone here a pedant? No wonder I stopped visiting.
Is everyone here a pedant? No wonder I stopped visiting.
01-13-14, 10:04 AM
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Tires, handlebar grips, brake pads are consumables. Wheels and brakes are to an extent as well.
Who flips a stem? Just buy the bike with an adjustable stem in the first place like most good flat bar bikes have ...
https://www.satoribike.com/satori_pdf...JUST_STEMS.pdf
I don't personally care why you do/don't visit ... but your argument is moot.
01-13-14, 10:14 AM
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I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but all one is doing is unbolting old parts and bolting new parts on and making a few adjustments.
Tires, handlebar grips, brake pads are consumables. Wheels and brakes are to an extent as well.
Who flips a stem? Just buy the bike with an adjustable stem in the first place like most good flat bar bikes have ...
Tires, handlebar grips, brake pads are consumables. Wheels and brakes are to an extent as well.
Who flips a stem? Just buy the bike with an adjustable stem in the first place like most good flat bar bikes have ...
There is more than just unbolting parts and making adjustments e.g. different shifters, brake levers, often different bar diameter, different brake cable pull, wrapping bar tape on drop bars, etc. Not to mention the geometry of flat bar bikes can make their top tube longer for the same "size" bike with drop bars, so the fit will often be different.
01-13-14, 10:15 AM
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01-13-14, 10:28 AM
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Selective quoting is selective.
That was basically my point.
In theory, you could set up narrow flat bars 6" below the saddle and very far forward of the headset, and get a nicely aero position. In theory. But very few commuters do. On many modern bikes you'd need a weird stem (super long and big negative rise). And then what do you do when you want to be upright with your head high?
A drop bar gives a wide range of positions, from low/forward/aero to high/back/relaxed. On the tops is a relaxed upright position similar to the typical flat bar (with the option of interrupter levers). On the hoods puts your hands around 8" forward. Drops puts them around 6" lower. Lots of choices.
When people try to get the same range of positions using flat bars, they end up using trekking (butterfly) bars.
Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you that drop bars are better than flat bars. As mentioned, I've commuted on both. My view is simply that they are very different. That's why I think a person looking for one shouldn't settle for the other.
In theory, you could set up narrow flat bars 6" below the saddle and very far forward of the headset, and get a nicely aero position. In theory. But very few commuters do. On many modern bikes you'd need a weird stem (super long and big negative rise). And then what do you do when you want to be upright with your head high?
A drop bar gives a wide range of positions, from low/forward/aero to high/back/relaxed. On the tops is a relaxed upright position similar to the typical flat bar (with the option of interrupter levers). On the hoods puts your hands around 8" forward. Drops puts them around 6" lower. Lots of choices.
When people try to get the same range of positions using flat bars, they end up using trekking (butterfly) bars.
Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you that drop bars are better than flat bars. As mentioned, I've commuted on both. My view is simply that they are very different. That's why I think a person looking for one shouldn't settle for the other.
01-13-14, 10:57 AM
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"A drop bar gives a wide range of positions, from low/forward/aero to high/back/relaxed."
There it is, right there, in the quote you made, the ugly lie to which I said I was responding, clearly, several times, so no, you got it wrong.
At this point, it would probably be best if you just helped the OP find the bike he wants, rather than getting mixed up in conversation you're not equipped to have, and that certainly does not need to go on.
There it is, right there, in the quote you made, the ugly lie to which I said I was responding, clearly, several times, so no, you got it wrong.
At this point, it would probably be best if you just helped the OP find the bike he wants, rather than getting mixed up in conversation you're not equipped to have, and that certainly does not need to go on.
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"A drop bar gives a wide range of positions, from low/forward/aero to high/back/relaxed."
There it is, right there, in the quote you made, the ugly lie to which I said I was responding, clearly, several times, so no, you got it wrong.
At this point, it would probably be best if you just helped the OP find the bike he wants, rather than getting mixed up in conversation you're not equipped to have, and that certainly does not need to go on.
There it is, right there, in the quote you made, the ugly lie to which I said I was responding, clearly, several times, so no, you got it wrong.
At this point, it would probably be best if you just helped the OP find the bike he wants, rather than getting mixed up in conversation you're not equipped to have, and that certainly does not need to go on.
01-13-14, 01:00 PM
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If someone made an IGH without the huge weight penalty that shifted well under extreme load (e.g. sprinting and hammering up a grade) I'd buy.
01-13-14, 01:03 PM
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Rohloff is as Close as you will get , now ..
They already Race those in 24hr MTB endurance events,
and Circum-Cycling the Globe in the least number of days, stunts..
Auzzie company even makes an electronic button shifter for Rohloff Hubs ..
hard to make durable gears out of anything but tempered steel ..
They already Race those in 24hr MTB endurance events,
and Circum-Cycling the Globe in the least number of days, stunts..
Auzzie company even makes an electronic button shifter for Rohloff Hubs ..
hard to make durable gears out of anything but tempered steel ..
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EUR 500 is a sizable obstacle for many people, though. Even people who think drop bars and flat bars aren't very different, can recognize the difference between having EUR 500 and not having it . . . :-)
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