I have found only a couple of grocery panniers that boast more than an 8 inch width: Pacific Outdoor Equipment, and Bushwhacker Omaha. Why so few larger panniers? Anyone know of more?

Having searched through grocery panniers, I would assume it's because that's how wide a grocery bag is. The Banjo Brothers Market Pannier (which I own) according to online specs is 8" wide, and it's the only pannier I could find in person that fit a Dignornio frozen pizza box in it. I see the Bushwacker is 9", which looks like it's just to made sure it's long enough to fit a grocery bag into.

I read that the Inertia Super Metro is 15" wide.

Inertia Super Metro: 15" X 9" X 12", 1653 cu.in. plus overstuff
More please!

I have yet to try my trek interchange bags with shopping, but i'm definitely thinking part of shopping will be done with milk crate... I don't care about material so much, but it needs to be structured and sturdy enough to carry 70 bs.

- Andy

WALD baskets are what you want.

I've got one of these:
Basil Side Mounted Wire Basket | Chain Reaction Cycles

Fits a regular grocery bag no problem!

Who gets regular paper regular grocery bag these days. The ONLY thing are markets currently have are those flimsy plastic things.

Have you been to California lewtwo? Plastic bags got banned.

I usually just throw my panniers in the shopping cart. Fill them until they're full, empty them onto the belt at checkout, and then use them as the bag that gets filled. That way I never accidentally get too much stuff.

^^^ This ^^^

My Arkel Shoppers are now six years old and still look and work like new.

I have these! Works great!
Basil Side Mounted Wire Basket | Chain Reaction Cycles

I just bring my regular grocery bag and drop it in!

where i'm from, if you put store items in your own personal bag(s) your considered shoplifting. you won't even make it to the Belt .

Do you buy loads of potato chips??

I have Axiom Hunters (8" across bottom) and most of the time have to put a 4+ pound 2ltr drink on the front rack to get enough weight on the front wheel to ride (with some control).

I'd get in big trouble with any more than I can carry with the bags that I have now.

Some of us live in more civilized regions.

Remind store security that under NYS law, it's not theft until *after* you leave the store without paying.

And it's not like your shoving stuff into a big that already contains other stuff, like say, for instance, a ladies purse.

I arrive with empty folded panniers, unfold them in the cart and fill them as I shop. A couple of dozen cameras see me do this. At the check out, a dozen more cameras see me empty them, check that I haven't missed anything, and watch the cashier refill them--or in those where I have to rebag myself after checkout, I fold them back flat after emptying them.

All four chains I use (Wegmans, Tops, PriceRite and Aldi) have never given me a peep of problem in any of their stores.

I wouldn't try it in a bodega, but then again, I'm not forced to use one anyway.

Side question: Didn't you used to hang out at V-Salon?

Actually, the plastic bag has been made illegal in my county. If you want a bag, you bring your own or pay 5-10 cents for a paper bag.

I take my Ortliebs off my bike put hem in the store trolly empty put the food in the grocery trolley too ,

but not in the bags ... put the empty bag 1st on the belt

grocery checker fills them at the register, & I put them, full, in the trolley and return to the Bike Rack.

Put them back on , and ride home. They're Back rollers, so dry inside, empty or full ..

The last i heard of Rochester NY it was Far from civilized... lol.. Never accused you of shoplifting, tho i dont take it you thought i did, just clarifying that for anyone who may have read my comment wrong... i Have friends in security and Loss prevention ... thats a policy in a lot of stores in NYC .. security see you putting items in your own personal bags they will approach you. and yes there are cameras everywhere, ones you see and ones you don't see. some supermarkets make you check your own bags in at the door. i got hassled by security to check my already full, couldnt fit anything else if i wanted to, Book bag that was strapped to my back. shoplifting is a big issue iin NYC so they go extra hard about it..

and No never Heard of V- Salon ... i dont usually hang out in salons being A) im a Man and B) I dont have hair. lol

Sorry, different DJ from NYC. V-Salon is Velocipede Salon, a different bike forum--generally custom hand-built frames and high-end stuff.

oh ok gotta check that out. i hope the other guy doesn't spell his name same as mine, afaik i'm the only dj Fantom in nyc with a F and my name is registered and trademarked .

The interchange panniers i have (discontinued) can carry about 4 bags of groceries between the two, maybe more depending on which items i get & their size/shape. I can do a month's worth of groceries minus bread (too bulky) in one trip. As soon as i find out the best way to attach my milk crates, i'll be carrying cases (24 pack) of spring water (separately, no other load). If i'm not carrying water, i may be able to fit the bread in there.

Plan B (for Bread and for Backup) is to get a pair of those wald wire folding baskets specifically to carry all the bread. Since the primary grocery list is checked off at a 24 hour store and the bread is at one that isn't 24 hours, i'd be making two trips anyways, so hooking up a pair of baskets for one short trip is no biggie.

If you're still looking, i would definitely recommend you at least look at these:
https://www.bontrager.com/model/11573





- Andy

So you're saying that if my panniers/bags are sitting in whatever basket/cart the store provides and I'm putting my shopping in those bags with NO apparent intent at concealment, I'd STILL get harassed?


I'd have some real fun with that.

That is great.

It might be the only way, in hick infested West Georgia, to get people to think about out something other than themselves and every possible way to save 3 seconds of their precious day. Unless it's spending a minute to find the "on" switch to save any effort exertion of any sort.

There are very few of us that bring our own bags to the stores. It's always the same few that I see. We kinda nod and acknowledge each other as if in some secret society. This area reinforces the statement that we need to worry as much about what type of kids we leave our world as what kind of government support we need to leave our lazy-assed parent parroting offspring.

My mom lives in an Atlanta suburb, sixty miles away and it's a whole different attitude. Bike lanes and most people bring their own bags----filled both to and from the store. Recyclables to the bin and groceries to the pantry.

Meyer stores had an incentive .. $.05 credit for each carryout bag not used, but they , Kroger corp HQ bean counters.. stopped offering that.

When I shop by bike, I bring two kittiers, as well as a bungee net if I need to secure stuff on top.

(like tsl) I have never had a problem going through the store with my kittiers in a cart, filling them as I go through the aisles, emptying them at checkout, and filling them again as the groceries are scanned by the checker. Usually have a nice conversation with the checker about how cool they are.

Also one of mine is never completely empty, there will always be a few small tools, sunglasses, gloves, assorted old receipts and other garbage, hanging out on the bottom. I have never had anybody challenge me or check that I didn't pull everything out, but since I am not stealing anything, I would be happy to submit to a check, and embarrassed and apologetic if they found some small thing I forgot (baggie with 1 tsp of some spice from the bulk jars?)

Also, I sometimes hit multiple stores, which means I carefully secure items with their receipts in their shopping bags, so in case of products that are available at multiple stores, I could show on the receipt, "I bought this there, just half an hour ago".

PS here in San Diego, we still have plastic & paper available everywhere. I think the ban doesn't take effect until July. But I did read once that in Ireland, they had a problem with littered plastic shopping bags all over, a small surcharge per bag solved that problem very well.

Meanwhile, some hippie/healthy/green kinds of places (i.e. Henry's aka Sprouts) will take like a nickel off your bill for each of your own bags you bring in and reuse. So that's kind of like a 5 cent cost per bag already.

No, it's DJ sumpin' else I can't remember. I just took a guess that even in NYC there can't be too many DJs who also post on bike forums. There's at least two, then.

That would be understandable. Bags don't cost a nickel each. But if they charged a nickel for .1 cent item they'd win. Locals in my area would piss, moan and complain for months but eventually settle down and bring their own bags. Just as soon as the food stamps ran out from buying steaks and they had to pay cash for their Ramen noodles.