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tarwheel 05-28-14 07:13 AM

The stuff we put up with ...
 
I've put up with drivers yelling, honking, right-hooking, passing too close, etc., but today was a first. I'm riding to work on my usual route, which passes through an area with normally light traffic that has been complicated by an on-going construction project. As I approach the construction site, there is a truck waiting to pull out in traffic. As I get close, the truck pulls out right in front of me to cross the road, forcing me to hit my brakes. I throw up my arms and yell something like "watch out." Then I get the double whammy. It's a watering truck used to keep dust down on construction sites, and the driver turns on his water sprayers and totally soaks me.

Now, I'm really PO'd, so I pull over and get out my cell phone to take a picture of the truck. The driver stops and hops out, and I'm expecting trouble. Instead, he walks over and appears to be genuinely sorry. He apologizes over and over, saying he never saw me, and didn't mean to spray me. Said he would never intentionally spray someone, and looked both ways before pulling out and never saw me. I'm skeptical because I'm wearing my usual neon yellow jersey with a headlight blazing, but he seems sincere. He's either telling the truth or a very good liar. I put away my camera phone and told him to look more carefully next time.

Ironically, I was thinking as I rode in that the weather couldn't be more humid, but I found out otherwise.

JBHoren 05-28-14 07:26 AM

I discovered -- through reading on the Internet -- that during normal daylight conditions neon-yellow/lime-green tends to blend-in with surrounding vegetation, while neon/blaze-orange stands out boldly; OTOH, this is reversed, at dawn/dusk and during conditions of lower visibility. Something to consider -- I dress accordingly.

WestPablo 05-28-14 07:31 AM

Damn___!

That was absolutely horrible!..Well, I'm glad this guy wasn't violent or abusive...

Well, on second thought, he was kinda abusive. He knew what he was doing. He just knew that your ability to take pictures could very well cost him his job. The prospect of losing one's job can be a quick catalyst to deep and decisive thought!

Glad you're alright, though! :thumb:

PS.

Next time, stay home to avoid the humidity! :D

tarwheel 05-28-14 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by JBHoren (Post 16798315)
I discovered -- through reading on the Internet -- that during normal daylight conditions neon-yellow/lime-green tends to blend-in with surrounding vegetation, while neon/blaze-orange stands out boldly; OTOH, this is reversed, at dawn/dusk and during conditions of lower visibility. Something to consider -- I dress accordingly.

Absolutely not the case here. The road I was riding on is very wide, 5 lanes, and there was plenty of pavement surrounding me. I don't agree with your premise regardless. I ride in traffic in daylight conditions all the time, and neon yellow jerseys show up better than any other color, IMHO. Studies bear this out, and it's the reason why most highway crews wear neon yellow vests, shirts or jackets. Do a search for "color visibility," and you will find all sorts of studies that show that neon yellow is the most visible color.

ill.clyde 05-28-14 07:44 AM

pity it wasn't like 90+ on the thermometer

thrllskr 05-28-14 07:45 AM

@ tarwheel, if you have the pictures report him to contractor, municipality, and whatever. He was fibbing to you to save his own butt. Cyclist, especially commuters, are not toys to mess around with on the street. People think it is funny to scare us, toy with us, and endanger our lives. REPORT HIM and follow up.
BTW - it is kinda funny though.

JBHoren 05-28-14 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by tarwheel (Post 16798354)
Absolutely not the case here. The road I was riding on is very wide, 5 lanes, and there was plenty of pavement surrounding me. I don't agree with your premise regardless. I ride in traffic in daylight conditions all the time, and neon yellow jerseys show up better than any other color, IMHO. Studies bear this out, and it's the reason why most highway crews wear neon yellow vests, shirts or jackets. Do a search for "color visibility," and you will find all sorts of studies that show that neon yellow is the most visible color.

In which case, there obviously was not a problem with "surrounding vegetation"; I mentioned this as part of the overall conclusions reached by both US DOT and European ISO studies, independently of each other. WRT what highway crews wear, I only see neon-orange here in Florida... and you might consider the color used for lane-marking cones and barrels -- neon-orange.

Glad you emerged safely from this. Personally, I think he was shining you on.

mgw4jc 05-28-14 07:57 AM

Crazy situation. I guess it's better to get hit with water than a door panel. Glad you're at least physically ok.

no motor? 05-28-14 08:13 AM

Wow, that might have been nice if it was really hot out, but this just reinforces the idea of riding like no one can see you and everyone is out to get you. Glad you made it through ok too.

bigbenaugust 05-28-14 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by ill.clyde (Post 16798368)
pity it wasn't like 90+ on the thermometer

In the Triangle today, it will be 90+ verrry shortly, so really he got soaked a few hours early. ;)

rumrunn6 05-28-14 11:34 AM

priceless story. great liar no doubt.

NOS88 05-28-14 11:40 AM

It's hard to know if the driver was being truthful or not. The good thing is that you could have been creamed, made flat, deceased, etc. but weren't. I'd chalk it up to material to use in a chapter of the book you'll write about communing adventures.

FBinNY 05-28-14 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by thrllskr (Post 16798377)
@ tarwheel, if you have the pictures report him to contractor, municipality, and whatever. He was fibbing to you to save his own butt. Cyclist, especially commuters, are not toys to mess around with on the street. People think it is funny to scare us, toy with us, and endanger our lives. REPORT HIM and follow up.
BTW - it is kinda funny though.

You have such a negative attitude towards people that I wouldn't be surprised that it self fulfills. The vast bulk of people anyone meets on the road are caring and courteous, though maybe not aware of how to deal with bicyclists. Odds are the driver was telling the truth and didn't see the cyclist because he as looking for cars, and the bike wasn't squarely in the middle of the mirror. Likewise with the spray.

If the driver were malicious, he wouldn't have bothered coming out to apologize.

laflavor 05-28-14 11:46 AM

It's getting to the point here in Phoenix where I'm kinda wishing I had a watering truck like that to spray me down every mile or so. It was about 105° during my commute home yesterday. The morning commute, in contrast, was a brisk 85°.

puckett129 05-28-14 11:47 AM

I have found that when interviewing people after they have been caught doing something wrong they will say things like "I didn't mean to do that" when in reality they mean "Now that I have been caught, I regret what I have done." You can do things intentionally, recklessly, with negligence, or knowingly. Without knowing how one turns on those sprayers I cannot say 100% but I would guess that action was done intentionally. The failure to yield was likely reckless behavior.

thrllskr 05-28-14 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 16799308)
You have such a negative attitude towards people that I wouldn't be surprised that it self fulfills. The vast bulk of people anyone meets on the road are caring and courteous, though maybe not aware of how to deal with bicyclists. Odds are the driver was telling the truth and didn't see the cyclist because he as looking for cars, and the bike wasn't squarely in the middle of the mirror. Likewise with the spray.

If the driver were malicious, he wouldn't have bothered coming out to apologize.

Go back under your bridge "TROLL."

FBinNY 05-28-14 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by thrllskr (Post 16799402)
Go back under your bridge "TROLL."

Based on the tone of your post, my bridge is a much nicer place to live than wherever you are.

RPK79 05-28-14 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by thrllskr (Post 16799402)
Go back under your bridge "TROLL."

:troll:[this is my FBinNY imitation]




















Just kidding FBinNY I agree with your appraisal of the situation.

spivonious 05-28-14 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by thrllskr (Post 16799402)
Go back under your bridge "TROLL."

Actually, internet "trolls" comes from the verb "trolling" as in dragging your net behind the boat to catch fish. Nothing to do with the creatures living under bridges.

The more you know...

And OP, he totally did it on purpose. Why would he have his water sprayers on outside of the construction site?

FBinNY 05-28-14 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by spivonious (Post 16799456)

And OP, he totally did it on purpose. Why would he have his water sprayers on outside of the construction site?

So, you're assuming they dispatched a water truck on the rumor that a cyclist might come by. To turn the question around, why would a spray truck be at a construction in the first place, if not to spray.

Answer: they spray at construction sites to manage dust. Especially if the work leaves dirt or dust on a road open to drivers. The company doesn't want their workers to work in a dust cloud raised by passing cars, so they spray.

BobbyG 05-28-14 12:58 PM

Airzound air horn. I honk to make sure they see me. Works better than having no horn.

Notso_fastLane 05-28-14 01:34 PM

Was the truck crossing dirt at the time, or just on asphalt? If it was at least on dirt, it might excuse it as accidental, but I have my doubts.

tarwheel 05-28-14 01:39 PM

I don't doubt that the truck driver was supposed to be spraying the roads. There is a lot of dust around this site as they are doing a massive amount of grading on both sides of that street. The timing is what was suspicious, as he turned on the water just as I veered around the back of his truck (to avoid hitting him). I really have no way of knowing whether he was lying to me or telling the truth, but he seemed sincere when we talked. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt, if they talk to me. In retrospect, the whole situation was rather humorous, but it sure didn't seem funny to me at the time.

FBinNY 05-28-14 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by tarwheel (Post 16799766)
...I really have no way of knowing whether he was lying to me or telling the truth, but he seemed sincere when we talked. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt, if they talk to me. In retrospect, the whole situation was rather humorous, but it sure didn't seem funny to me at the time.

Compost happens, and often what seems most annoying at the moment is good for laughs later on.

BTW- a positive attitude about this kind of stuff, and giving people the benefit of any doubt, keeps them from spoiling your day.

IME- if you look for the worst in people you'll have no problem finding it. If you expect the best, you'll find that too.

TransitBiker 05-28-14 06:28 PM

Glad you were OK!

- Andy

wapiti 05-28-14 07:05 PM

Day in and day out the only part of my daily route that gets me is the right turns, not the full stop and then turn right but the " the road is going over there and that means a right here" sort of turns.

It amazes me how many people are incapable of turning right without cutting deep into the shoulder to "hit the apex" or maybe just because they're lazy. But the paint on all of my right turns between here and work is worn away....

That is the only part of my daily route that really gives me the pucker factor.

downwinded 05-28-14 07:47 PM

Sounds like he did it on purpose then, when he saw the camera, wanted to try and apologize. Turn him in.

Bent Bill 05-28-14 08:20 PM

Water trucks do not spray public asphalt roads
Doing so makes mud on top of asphalt which is dangerously slippery
They only spray the construction site
They use power brooms and other equipment to clean roads

I would say he hosed you down on purpose and even if he didn't
I don't go for the no harm no foul train of thought
You could have been badly hurt by his "not seeing you"

His boss needs to know about this incident whether it was intentional or not
What's this jerk going to do the next time he's not paying attention or get's mad. Whichever the case may be.
Run you or someone else over with that truck that weigh's 40.000 pounds

Then claim he didn't see anybody

Maimed/Dead is fairly permanent as far as I know

Mark Stone 05-28-14 09:48 PM

Hi Tarwheel -

Great story to tell your grandkids someday! :)

jeffpoulin 05-28-14 10:11 PM

Meanwhile on the construction spray truck forums:

"I totally soaked this cyclist today. He comes barreling down the road like he owns it or something. I wasn't having any of that! I pulled out and made him go around. The guy starts yelling at me!! I flipped on the soakers and got him good. Ha, ha! He takes out his cell phone like he's going to take a picture or call the cops or something, so I get out and give him my best crocodile tears. He bought it. :D"


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