Stating that certain treatments "are all beneficial" is demonstrably false and attaches blame to people who are still depressed despite years of struggle.


I prefer neutral terms whenever possible (e.g. depression vs mental illness/disorder).

Maybe DIY the repair? 2-3 weeks is a long time to be sans bike.

Attaches blame? We are talking about beneficial treatments here, not cures. Chronic illness can last a lifetime and requires multiple approaches to deal with. Exercise can help some as part of managing depression. There are certainly less constructive ways of coping with it.

Here, have a Danish:
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Good to know from someone on the inside with no possible motive or bias. Thank you.

So... before it was designed.... but NOW it evolved?!?!

Like there are no competitors in the medical arts?!?!?

Unlike... say this very forum where you post?!?!?

Not true... only humans own money and make investments. Some people try to dehumanize other people.... but that's a whole different thread.

No... I really don't think that happens. Strange idea you have... that it does.... and I've heard it before from the bitter and those that feel shut-out from life. So sorry you feel that way.

And... your saying you've done a LOT of business in the old USA? You wouldn't happen to be Bill Gates or somebody would you?

Nah. Called manufacturer. They may cover stiffer rim & 36 new spokes. It was a delight dealing with them on the phone. It may take 2-3 weeks to get the rim spokes, rebuild the wheel, test it at shop etc. Better done right than quick and wrong.

- Andy

Dang! That looks so good.

Well that's a modest improvement in your tone but the evidence is actually conflicted -- with studies finding little or no effect. Moreover, there is an emerging consensus that exercise has little impact on the affect of those suffering from severe depression.

Many people consider telling a person suffering form cancer what they should do (or should have done) to be insulting but when someone is living with a "mental disorder" it's fair game to preach that a bit of exercise, a diet change, or "will power" will fix them right up. This pisses me off on the internet and in person.

not to hijack this thread, I have had a similar problem and just purchased a double wall, 36 hole wheel... I will let you know how it goes...

too bad that's not what I was saying at all:

You know what pisses me off, on the internet, or in person? People that take my comments completely out of context and are too stubborn to admit it after they've been called out on it numerous times. Put your spin on it all you want, anyone can see that wasn't what I was suggesting. I'm sorry you're so bad at reading.

My N+1 is that exercise and diet definitely make a difference for severe depression. Tried for 6 years seeing a psychiatrist every two months to find a good medication regimen, but to no avail. Counseling was hit or miss. But buying a bike, riding it every day and making an effort to eat better at the beginning of the year? Can't even begin to describe how much better I am.

(Not to mention lighter...)

But of course, the plural of anecdote is NOT data.

Sullato, I'm glad it's helping you! I have no problem with case studies or anecdotes when they are discussed as case studies or anecdotes. In fact, I think they are a useful path to evidence-based research.