[37-622] Puncture-resistent tires that don't weigh a ton?
Hello
After three annoyance-free months with some brand new Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires (37-622, 700x35c), I got two punctures within the same week, one on each wheel :notamused: I'd like to take the opportunity to switch to more puncture-resistent tires. I mostly use that bike for commuting, but do also use it for week-end outings which occasionally take me through country (ie. dirt) roads. The pleasures of relying on Google Maps to plan routes ;-) So I'm looking for tires that are reasonably puncture-resistent without weighing a ton* and being as slippery as the Schwalbe Marathon Plus. What would you recommend? Thank you. * or "a dead donkey", as we say this side of the Mississipi |
Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17336668)
So I'm looking for tires that are reasonably puncture-resistent without weighing a ton
What caused your flats? Nails,staples,and the like will flat just about anything. I've picked over a dozen bits of glass and wire out of a rear Supreme without a flat. Also,how often do you check your tires? If you don't regularly inspect them,bits of FOD that get picked up by the tread can work their way through and cause a flat. |
The adding the puncture resistant Band within the casing is just not going to be weightless..
The Schwalbe Marathon Kevlar tires on my Brompton, the only puncture was on the Rim Strip side, I fixed that by making up a shortened* Rubber rim strip to put under the original fused plastic loop rim strip . *duct tape FTW ! Take a look at Continental Travel Contact .. their ride past the end of the paved world tires only 700c made is 37 wide. ( I used the 26" .. tread design had people offering advise on them as if I wore all the tread knobbies down smooth ) |
Continental Touring Plus are great tires, very puncture resistant , nice ride.
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I'll second the Paselas as a good compromise. Not flat proof, but they use a thread that picks up little, are decently grippy and decent rolling. Over tire quality: very good. I use them in various sizes on 3 bikes near year 'round and as winter/city tires on two more. Good enough tires that I often use them just to keep wear and expense down on teh expensive tires.
Which brings me to my other point. Get a second set of wheels. Put nice rubber on the good set, the heavy tires on the lesser set. Let your lesser set evolve to bulletproof wheels; strong rims, hubs with good seals. Now you have the best of both worlds for a 2 minute wheel swap. Ben |
Has anyone tried these?
tannus.co.uk |
Thanks for the infos.
The two flats were each caused by a bit of glass. Maybe I could have avoided those punctures by checking the tires after every ride but 1) it's a PITA and 2) it can also happen during a ride anyway, so I'd rather just get more resistent tires even at the expense of a slightly less enjoyable ride. I use Marathon Plus on my Brompton and they're ok although a bit on the heavy side. Panaracer doesn't seem to be widely available in Europe, so I guess I'll go for Continental instead.
Originally Posted by Mikehs
(Post 17337792)
Has anyone tried these?tannus.co.uk
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Sometimes you just get unlucky, regardless of the tires, unless you want to ride with boat anchors. Some of the nicest tires I've used were Conti GP 4 Seasons, and I had a flat on one of the first rides and then never got another. Same thing happened with some Pasela TG/PTs.
I don't buy real expensive tires any more because it's not worth it shelling out $50-60 for a tire that might get trashed soon after I install it. I buy good quality folding tires when they're on sale and hope for the best. A lot also depends on your riding style. If you hug the side of the rode and go through a lot of rocks, glass, sticks and other debris, you're gonna get more flats regardless of the tire. I've also found that I get more flats if I don't keep my tires inflated to full pressure. I pump up my tires before every ride. As far as specific tire recommendations, I've had very good experiences with Vittoria Voyager Hypers, Conti GP 4 Seasons and Panaracer Pasela PTs. Conti Gatorskin folders are also very flat resistant and long wearing, but don't ride as nicely as the others mentioned. |
I'd say you just got unlucky. Stick with the tires you have. You may not get any more flats for a long time. The punctures you just got is not evidence that you'll get more.
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Thanks.
It's still a pain to get a puncture, and I'd rather not have to carry a tire lever + tube + pump in my bag every day. I tried the Continental Gatorskin but also got punctures a few weeks after getting them, so I'll try either the [strike]GP 4 Seasons[/strike] [N.A. in 37-622] or the Touring Plus… and report back. |
Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17337982)
Thanks.
It's still a pain to get a puncture, and I'd rather not have to carry a tire lever + tube + pump in my bag every day. I tried the Continental Gatorskin but also got punctures a few weeks after getting them, so I'll try either the [strike]GP 4 Seasons[/strike] [N.A. in 37-622] or the Touring Plus… and report back. |
Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17337982)
I'd rather not have to carry a tire lever + tube + pump in my bag every day.
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Originally Posted by Mikehs
(Post 17337792)
Has anyone tried these?
tannus.co.uk |
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Originally Posted by Winfried
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Thanks.
It's still a pain to get a puncture, and I'd rather not have to carry a tire lever + tube + pump in my bag every day. I tried the Continental Gatorskin but also got punctures a few weeks after getting them, so I'll try either the [strike]GP 4 Seasons[/strike] [N.A. in 37-622] or the Touring Plus… and report back. Stick it under your seat. You'll never know its there until you need it. Its called a seat (or saddle) bag. |
Originally Posted by dynaryder
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Schwalbe Marathon Supremes. Seriously. I don't know of any other tire that as flat-resistant as these that doesn't weigh alot or ride like they're made of wood. You're either going to have to sacrifice protection or ride quality.
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Thanks for the idea.
I ordered some Michelin Protek Urban, and will report back in a few weeks about they do. MICHELIN Protek Urban - Tyres city | MICHELIN - Motorcycle - United Kingdom - Bike-website |
Tires embody compromises. If the Marathon Supremes flat too often, get a pair of Marathon Plus and put Tuffies in them. I put equal miles on my bike and car and that combination gives me the same frequency of flats on both vehicles. If they are too heavy for you, stick with the Supremes and buy a patch kit. Personally, I don't find the Plus slippery and I don't notice the weight or lack of ride quality. Have you ridden on the Plus?
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Recognize that it is not the tire that deflates/punctures but the tube so even the most bulletproof tires aren't going to protect you from a defective tube. As other have said, carry a spare tube, levers and pump and maybe a patch kit so you can patch the tube while at work so that you have a spare for going home.
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Marathon Supremes are the most puncture resistant tires I have ever used. Yes; I have picked a lot of hitchikers out of them, but it only takes a quick spin every morning to find them.
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Originally Posted by jrickards
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Recognize that it is not the tire that deflates/punctures but the tube so even the most bulletproof tires aren't going to protect you from a defective tube. As other have said, carry a spare tube, levers and pump and maybe a patch kit so you can patch the tube while at work so that you have a spare for going home.
I doubt defective tubes cause 1% of flat tires. In my 16 years of working in shops I think I saw one or two 'defective' tubes - all of the tens of thousands of other flats were caused by one of the following:
I have been out of the business for a little less than a decade now, so maybe there have been a few of the mythical 'bad batches' of tubes, but even then, tube manufacturing is a mature technology and the vast vast VAST majority of tubes are perfectly good and flats are caused by something else. |
Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17336668)
After three annoyance-free months with some brand new Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires (37-622, 700x35c), I got two punctures within the same week, one on each wheel :notamused:
I'd like to take the opportunity to switch to more puncture-resistent tires. I mostly use that bike for commuting, but do also use it for week-end outings which occasionally take me through country (ie. dirt) roads. The pleasures of relying on Google Maps to plan routes ;-) So I'm looking for tires that are reasonably puncture-resistent without weighing a ton* and being as slippery as the Schwalbe Marathon Plus. What would you recommend? Try lower tires pressures. Contrary to popular belief you will not be disappointed, Matt |
Originally Posted by Hangtownmatt
(Post 17344633)
What tire pressures are you running?
Originally Posted by Hangtownmatt
(Post 17344633)
What tire pressures are you running?For ride quality reasons I decided to experiment with lower pressures and ran 50psi front and 50-60 rear; sometimes lower. It did not slow me down and did not have another flat until just under 10,000 miles when I went through a nasty patch of goat heads.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
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I have been out of the business for a little less than a decade now, so maybe there have been a few of the mythical 'bad batches' of tubes, but even then, tube manufacturing is a mature technology and the vast vast VAST majority of tubes are perfectly good and flats are caused by something else.
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Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17344868)
About 6 bars. The maximum recommended is 6.5 bars (min is 3.5).
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Originally Posted by Winfried
(Post 17344868)
Thanks for the tip. It's funny that softer tires would be more puncture-resistant. How could it be?
Matt |
Very happy with my Marathon Supremes in 700 x 35 running 60psi front and 70psi rear with a 220lb rider.
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The Weighing 'a tonne' Thorn resistant inner-tube has become part of my absence from repairing a Puncture , for a year or More.
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I use and have used both Schwalbe and Pasela TG(PT) and find no difference in their puncture resistance. The Pasela is lighter and faster but doesn't last as long. Either will get punctured by the right nail,tack, staple, wire, glass shard or pothole. I always carry tools and a tube.
Marc |
I have gradually migrated my 3 road bike tires to Panaracer T-Serv (previously used Panaracer Pasela Tourguard). These are not available in most LBS, so I usually buy online. T-Serv have more puncture resistant tread protection than Pasela Tourguard, but they weigh approximately the same. The two commuter road bikes have T-Serv 700x35, and the Italian classic Ciocc for weekend rides has T-Serv 700-28. I typically put a new T-Serve on the front wheel, and after 5000 miles rotate it to the rear wheel. In most cases, it will last 5000 miles on the rear and then get replaced. The small number of flat tires that I've had while out pedaling on the road in the past 3 years have usually been caused by a nail. No glass or thorn flats in many years.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
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Marathon Supremes are the most puncture resistant tires I have ever used. Yes; I have picked a lot of hitchikers out of them, but it only takes a quick spin every morning to find them.
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