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acidfast7 02-01-15 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520328)
I've only got two reasons to wear a suit; if someone is being married or if someone is being buried.

Don't do many interviews, eh?

1. Been married. Used a suit.
2. Been divorced. Used a suit.
3. Been to court (in multiple countries, in fact). Used a suit every time.
4. Been to many funerals. Used a suit.
5. Usually average about 5 weddings/year where I wear a suit.
6. I usually do a few parties/year with suit dress minus the jacket (vest and bow tie, pants.)
7. Did 4 interviews in a week once (1 in Mexico City, 1 in Copenhagen, 1 in England, 1 in Scotland). I didn't wear a suit per se. I wore a suit jacket and shirt but with skinny jeans (but it does have suit components).
8. I've probably done 20+ interviews with suit components since buying my first Swedish suit in 2008 (hopefully a few this coming month!)

However, on a day-to-day basis I don't wear suits. About 40% of my days, I wear cycling clothes at the office and don't shower (about 25% of my colleagues are the same.)

acidfast7 02-01-15 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Sullalto (Post 17520335)
No, it doesn't have anything at all to do with aesthetics or an appreciation for fashion. Nope, women are gold diggers, 100%. Got it.:lol:

I agree. This was the strangest post in the thread. However, BF never lets me down for entertainment.

ThermionicScott 02-01-15 07:08 PM

I don't know if I can abide by this trend of high-water pants being fashionable. For so long, that has been the realm of children who were out-growing their clothes, or adult dudes who didn't have a clue when buying their own. :lol:

acidfast7 02-01-15 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by ThermionicScott (Post 17520344)
I don't know if I can abide by this trend of high-water pants being fashionable. For so long, that has been the realm of children who were out-growing their clothes, or adult dudes who didn't have a clue when buying their own. :lol:

It's a fine line.

But, any bagginess at the bottom brings flashes of Vanilla Ice.

Køb hos ezzo:Kosmo Lupo Jeans

Most places hem the bottom of the jeans/trousers/pants to a specified length depending on what shoes I'll wear them with. Takes 5 mins max and is usually free.

Sullalto 02-01-15 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520328)
I've only got two reasons to wear a suit; if someone is being married or if someone is being buried.

When I was making a living as a classical musician(hardly gold digger prey:lol:) I was wearing a suit or a tux at least twice a week.

Sometimes 6-7 times a week for things like Nutcracker.

acidfast7 02-01-15 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Sullalto (Post 17520383)
When I was making a living as a classical musician(hardly gold digger prey:lol:) I was wearing a suit or a tux at least twice a week.

Sometimes 6-7 times a week for things like Nutcracker.

I have a nagging feeling that (s)he may not frequent such performances.

cobrabyte 02-01-15 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 17520339)
Don't do many interviews, eh?

1. Been married. Used a suit. - I won't ever be married, don't believe in it
2. Been divorced. Used a suit. - Good reason to never be married
3. Been to court (in multiple countries, in fact). Used a suit every time. - Stop getting in trouble?
4. Been to many funerals. Used a suit. - Reason #1 to wear a suit
5. Usually average about 5 weddings/year where I wear a suit. - Reason # 2 to wear a suit
6. I usually do a few parties/year with suit dress minus the jacket (vest and bow tie, pants.) - Not a suit
7. Did 4 interviews in a week once (1 in Mexico City, 1 in Copenhagen, 1 in England, 1 in Scotland). I didn't wear a suit per se. I wore a suit jacket and shirt but with skinny jeans (but it does have suit components). - Not a suit
8. I've probably done 20+ interviews with suit components since buying my first Swedish suit in 2008 (hopefully a few this coming month!) - Not a suit

However, on a day-to-day basis I don't wear suits. About 40% of my days, I wear cycling clothes at the office and don't shower (about 25% of my colleagues are the same.)

Also, it may come as a shock to you, but there are many lines of work in which wearing a suit to an interview would be over the top.
20 interviews since 2008? Seems excessive.

cobrabyte 02-01-15 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Sullalto (Post 17520383)
When I was making a living as a classical musician(hardly gold digger prey:lol:) I was wearing a suit or a tux at least twice a week.

Sometimes 6-7 times a week for things like Nutcracker.

That's an interesting profession. I, however, am not a classical musician, so my reasons to wear a suit remain the same.

acidfast7 02-01-15 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520389)
20 interviews since 2008? Seems excessive.

Why?

edit: I agree with everything else you've said ... and I do recognise that professions exist that don't require suits ... however, I am genuinely interested in why one wouldn't want to continuously be looking around for a better/different position?

Sullalto 02-01-15 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520394)
That's an interesting profession. I, however, am not a classical musician, so my reasons to wear a suit remain the same.

To be fair, my reasons overlapped with your reasons a fair amount.

Sullalto 02-01-15 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 17520403)
Why?

edit: I agree with everything else you've said ... and I do recognise that professions exist that don't require suits ... however, I am genuinely interested in why one wouldn't want to continuously be looking around for a better/different position?

Contractor, or non-traditional employment. My sister(A studio artist) has a lot of 'interviews' with (potential)clients to talk about commissions, for instance. My dad is a pseudo-retired computer programmer. He'll go to the interview to see how long the project is and how much travel there is. He might go to 5-6 interviews before he decides to take a contract(which are normally several months).

cobrabyte 02-01-15 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 17520403)
Why?

edit: I agree with everything else you've said ... and I do recognise that professions exist that don't require suits ... however, I am genuinely interested in why one wouldn't want to continuously be looking around for a better/different position?

Well, for one reason, as a perspective employer, I would hesitate to hire someone who changes jobs often.

acidfast7 02-01-15 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520423)
Well, for one reason, as a perspective employer, I would hesitate to hire someone who changes jobs often.

Fair enough. The converse argument is that when every move comes with a promotion, it's the fastest way to move up the career ladder, so to speak.

Why move horizontally?

wolfchild 02-01-15 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520389)
Also, it may come as a shock to you, but there are many lines of work in which wearing a suit to an interview would be over the top.
20 interviews since 2008? Seems excessive.

My last interview was about 17 years ago and I wore jeans and flannel shirt. The guy who interviewed me wore jeans and a T-shirt.

Gresp15C 02-01-15 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by cobrabyte (Post 17520423)
Well, for one reason, as a perspective employer, I would hesitate to hire someone who changes jobs often.

I'm curious: How often? I've read that what you can do for someone right away is more important than how many jobs you've held, especially in a high tech field. And all you need to find is one employer who is willing to hire you.

Disclaimer: I've worked for the same employer for 17 years, and am quite happy there, but have held many different jobs within the company during that time.

cobrabyte 02-01-15 08:23 PM

That's true. Some lines of work involve frequent moves/change of position.

acidfast7 02-01-15 08:28 PM

If one is geographically flexible, it's OK to apply a lot while trying to move up the ladder, especially with an in-demand skill set.

However, I think that one more move with be the last for 5-10 years because we'll both (partner and I) be employed in a very large European metro area on high-level perm contracts (that's been the goal for the last 5 years or so).

Buy a house and settle in and pump out a family.

Jim from Boston 02-01-15 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by Omiak (Post 17520260)
Wearing a suit is just a traditional way of signifying that you see yourself as above the class of people that have to use their physical body in some way to make a living. It also shows that you've committed yourself to not doing anything playful and fun outdoors for the day.

Wearing a well fitting suit might get you a lot of attention from women, but its going to be a certain demographic of women that value money and status over other things that may or may not be more important to you.


Originally Posted by acidfast7 (Post 17520067)
...I tend to do very well with the ladies. Most men don't know how to dress properly and it really helps one stand out in a crowd :)


I recently posted to this thread, ” Looking like you own the place”


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 17485494)
…In general, my fashion philosophy is “Utilitarian, but appropriate.” …At work I wear non-distinguishing surgical scrubs…comfortable, not necessarily requiring clean-up after the ride, and I don’t have to carry them in on my bike.

When I dress for social events, I’m uniformly complimented as “dapper and professorial,” [in my suit or dress jacket, especially with my flashy bowtie, by women] to which I reply, “It doesn’t take much to dress up, when you’re always dressing down.”

I’m also a good dancer, and IMO the most classic and sure-fire pick up line is “Pardon me, Miss, but would you like to dance?”

Just yesterday I was watching a special about the extravagant “camping trips” the early 20th century industrialists, H. Ford, T. Edison, H. Firestone, etc. used to go on as the “Vagabonds,” and at least for the photographers, they all wore suits.

However…


Originally Posted by Walter S (Post 17518756)
Whether intentionally, or simply as an outcome of not paying attention, most of our lives circumstances are heavily influenced if not dictated by our personal choices as an adult. The longer you live, the more your plight can be legitimately blamed on personal choices.

I think about this when I hear people explain why they commute by automobile in spite of wishing it weren't so….

When I read the title and OP of this thread, I was expecting rather serious and personal testimonials about designing one’s life. This is my first chance to respond, so risking being a Captain Bringdown, I wanted to post my most profound reason to bike, especially cycle commute, integrating the fitness, financial, fun and so forth factors:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 17398049)
what makes cycling so much fun?

My magic moment when I realized what makes cycling fun (important) to me was at a lunch with two doctors about 20 years ago. We got to talking about the vicissitudes of life, like sudden death, or trival symptoms as harbingers of a serious disease. We eventually came around to that old chestnut to live life to the fullest everyday.

As we were leaving, the surgeon, a marathon runner, said, “Well, any day with a run in it is a good day for me.” I was already an avid cyclist and cycle commuter, and that clicked with me, any day with a ride in it is a good day for me.


tjspiel 02-01-15 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by Walter S (Post 17518756)
Whether intentionally, or simply as an outcome of not paying attention, most of our lives circumstances are heavily influenced if not dictated by our personal choices as an adult. The longer you live, the more your plight can be legitimately blamed on personal choices.

I think about this when I hear people explain why they commute by automobile in spite of wishing it weren't so. They talk about how dangerous it is to travel by bicycle where they live. Or the time involved and their family commitments, etc. All those things are valid reasons not to commute by bicycle.

For some people they really are locked into a difficult situation and have very limited choices. But for many others they resign from taking responsibility for their choices or seeing that they might be changed for the better. I found this article on MMM just now that I think does a good job of laying out the benefits of considering the daily commute in your life-design.

The True Cost of Commuting

For us, being close to work was definitely a big factor in our decision to live where we do. Overall, it's been great, but not without tradeoffs. Being able to bike to work is awesome, but there are lots of other things to consider when choosing a place to live.

I do like the "design your life" philosophy though.

Bike Gremlin 02-02-15 12:00 AM

Suits are made so that men look good in them. Do women like men who look good? They definitely don't mind.

People treat you more "seriously" when you appear in a suit.

I often wear workers clothes

http://www.oglasi.rs/images/oglas/201205/442375/1.jpg


When you appear in an office wearing workers clothes, or if a women dressed as a cleaning lady comes in:

http://www.tportal.hr/ResourceManage...47304&fmtId=20

People tend to talk and work as if you don't exist. SERIOUSLY! You can hear and learn a lot walking around buildings and offices and (pretending to be?) doing some work.


On the other hand, when I'm dressed like that and my colleague comes with me wearing a suit, most people would notice him/her, and if they see us working together, 99% would presume he is the boss, even if I'm obviously organizing all the work. :)



So clothes are not to be underestimated. During the first impression when meeting people, looks are one of the few things noticed, especially untill you get to talk. People will make some conclusions, even if wrong ones. You can choose whether you want to be considered more or less good (or important) than you really are.

nasabiker 02-02-15 04:31 AM

At what point in time did this to from a bicycling forum to bash people clothes preference forum? Everyone is getting self defensive because slaninar wears a suit with a more modern cut???? My suit has a 9mm ****** another guys suit is made of denim with hi-his stripes and pockets. We strive for what makes us feel complete and important. Spending the extra money to live near work is a smart decision. The cost in fuel alone could be nearly as much as the offset in housing. Granted I wish I made as much money as slaninar makes but I was much to lazy in college��.

Bike Gremlin 02-02-15 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by nasabiker (Post 17521137)
Everyone is getting self defensive because slaninar wears a suit with a more modern cut????


Women want to be with me, men want to be me! :)

Though I think it's all about that crazy chemist... :)

acidfast7 02-02-15 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 17520967)

Interesting. I immediately thought of Michael Schumacher when I see this photo. The stance, proportions and the chin line are a definite match.

That catalog model is a lucky man!

acidfast7 02-02-15 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by nasabiker (Post 17521137)
Everyone is getting self defensive because slaninar wears a suit with a more modern cut????

Not me, man, I like Slaninar's style. He probably has excellent taste in schnapps as well ;)

Jim from Boston 02-02-15 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by tjspiel (Post 17520898)
For us, being close to work was definitely a big factor in our decision to live where we do. Overall, it's been great, but not without tradeoffs. Being able to bike to work is awesome, but there are lots of other things to consider when choosing a place to live.

I do like the "design your life" philosophy though.

Not to sound like a hardcore roadie, but for me fitness is a major reason to cycle commute, and I consider my situation not “close,” but “optimal.”


Originally Posted by MikeRides (Post 17470471)
12 miles is nothing. A 40 minute max ride if you're in decent shape..


Originally Posted by genec (Post 17480787)
Gotta agree... I felt that 12 miles was "just right." Any shorter and you don't feel like you're getting a good workout. Any longer and it starts to get old....


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 17480862)
+1. I consider about 10 miles a minimum, and my current early morning commute is a minimal 14 miles one way in the reverse usual commuter route, and in the past was 11 miles…In the nice weather I engage a training schedule with daily mileage quotas, and can expand the inbound distance gradually up to 30 miles one way, through some premier cycling areas of Metro Boston.



This was not a conscious decision, but resulted from those “other things.”

I am occasionally asked by suburban colleagues who live closer to work, why I don’t move out there from downtown. My reply is that for cycling purposes, the distance and routes are perfect, meanwhile thinking to myself, “Why do you think they call it ‘sub-urban’ living (like ‘sub-human’)”? :innocent:


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