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Old 12-10-20, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mdarnton View Post
I have quite a few allergies, all over the map, and I'd be very disappointed if my low point were to be taken as a standard for everyone else's safety. That's just not a reasonable position to take. I have to think that we know who we are, as do our doctors, and are capable of figuring this out without ruining everyone else's life.
Nevertheless, I am willing to be first in line for a vaccine, regardless of my allergies, unless someone shows with high probability that my particular allergy package is going to lead to my death from the vaccine.

The people we have to be careful of are the ones who believe that they are the exception, the "Special" ones whose politics dictate their medical needs and vulnerabilities.
The way I look at it is if you can't have a vaccine, that's all the more reason for me to get it so I can't give the disease to you. We're in an era where the idea of social responsibility seems laughable to a lot of people, but getting a vaccine doesn't seem like a major sacrifice on my part, especially when it also has the effect of making me safer.
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Old 12-10-20, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mdarnton View Post
I have quite a few allergies, all over the map, and I'd be very disappointed if my low point were to be taken as a standard for everyone else's safety. That's just not a reasonable position to take. I have to think that we know who we are, as do our doctors, and are capable of figuring this out without ruining everyone else's life.
Nevertheless, I am willing to be first in line for a vaccine, regardless of my allergies, unless someone shows with high probability that my particular allergy package is going to lead to my death from the vaccine.

The people we have to be careful of are the ones who believe that they are the exception, the "Special" ones whose politics dictate their medical needs and vulnerabilities.
There was an article in the NY Times yesterday about allergy reactions. The gist of it was that a few reactions are going to happen but if there is the proper precautions taken, the consequences of the reactions can be minimized; that the (edit: after a trip to the Mayp Clinic website) EpiPen dosages for severe reactions should be present and used promptly. So have yours on you or inquire beforehand as to whether that vaccine station has them.

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Old 12-10-20, 01:11 PM
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It sounds like the expected reaction to the vaccine is very similar to a mild migraine. I've had one migraine headache in my life and it was something I never want to go through again. On the other hand, covid is a lot more terrible from all accounts. Maybe I'll get lucky and covid won't come to me, but I'm not going to count on it any more than I'm going to not wear my seatbelt and count on every driver I'm near being competent and sober.
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Old 12-10-20, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Toespeas View Post
if i was saying anything it would the companies making these " vaccines " have no liability and are interwoven in even bigger companies that will cover for their mistakes , like cigarettes back the days , like oxy not to long ago , these are i think called oligarchies , and will face no punishment for their mistakes , unlike the common man , who will be pushed for the tiniest thing , its a terrible system relying on mega corps and if we dont have an alternative way we will be enslaved to their multi-dimensional control matrix ,
If one of these vaccines is poison what do you think would happen to the company that made it? Do you think people and medical institutions would continue to buy their products at least when competing versions are available? Do you think it would be good for their brand?

More importantly, do you think any of these vaccines (or " vaccines " if you prefer) are poison? I mean I agree with you that the pharmaceutical industry isn't a bunch of angels, but that's besides the point. I can say a whole bunch of stuff that isn't related to the safety or effectiveness of this vaccine but it doesn't change anything about how well these shots work. You've got to keep your eye on the ball.
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