Recommend a steel frameset
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Recommend a steel frameset
I'm interested in building an all-road/gravel/light touring bike with parts from a donor bike to keep costs down.
I've considered frames from Crust, Wilde, Otso, Rodeo, Breadwinner, Surly, Panorama, & a couple others. Just curious as to what else might be out there.
So far, the top of my list includes the Wilde Rambler SL and Panorama Anticosti.
Here are my requirements.
+ New from a North American seller as a frameset.
+ Steel
+ 700c x 44 (at the very least, but would certainly welcome bigger clearance.)
+ Able to accomodate 2x GRX drivetrain.
+ Under $2k
+ Prefer a steel fork with mounts-a-plenty.
+ Upright leaning geometry.
+ Disc brakes.
+ Drop bar
What can you recommend that fits the criteria?
I've considered frames from Crust, Wilde, Otso, Rodeo, Breadwinner, Surly, Panorama, & a couple others. Just curious as to what else might be out there.
So far, the top of my list includes the Wilde Rambler SL and Panorama Anticosti.
Here are my requirements.
+ New from a North American seller as a frameset.
+ Steel
+ 700c x 44 (at the very least, but would certainly welcome bigger clearance.)
+ Able to accomodate 2x GRX drivetrain.
+ Under $2k
+ Prefer a steel fork with mounts-a-plenty.
+ Upright leaning geometry.
+ Disc brakes.
+ Drop bar
What can you recommend that fits the criteria?
Last edited by Karmajack; 05-24-25 at 03:16 PM.
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Does Breadwinner offer a frameset under $2,000? I've almost bought a G Road several times, good looking bike.
Soma Wolverine is a good option, steel fork options available for using a regular touring or rando rack, or 3 pack mounts.
Stinner Refugio Select, comes with a carbon fork with 3 pack mounts. Not sure if it's upright enough.
Soma Wolverine is a good option, steel fork options available for using a regular touring or rando rack, or 3 pack mounts.
Stinner Refugio Select, comes with a carbon fork with 3 pack mounts. Not sure if it's upright enough.
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Geez, you can get an entire steel framed-and-forked Breezer Inversion X Expert with 2x GRX direct from Breezer for $1.5k, a price that may be impossible to beat:
https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
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Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo
Black Mountain ModZero.
Awesome brand owner, US based, solid platform with tubing that's wells spec'd.
https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/
If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
Awesome brand owner, US based, solid platform with tubing that's wells spec'd.
https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/
If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
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Niner has their 853 steel frameset on sale. Carbon fork but plenty of mounts on the fork and frame. Press fit bottom bracket though.
https://www.ninerbikes.com/rlt-9-steel-frame/
Bikesdirect has an inexpensive 853 steel complete bike. Carbon fork on that one, too.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products...avel-bikes.htm
https://www.ninerbikes.com/rlt-9-steel-frame/
Bikesdirect has an inexpensive 853 steel complete bike. Carbon fork on that one, too.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products...avel-bikes.htm
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Geez, you can get an entire steel framed-and-forked Breezer Inversion X Expert with 2x GRX direct from Breezer for $1.5k, a price that may be impossible to beat:
https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
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Yeah, I think so, too! I wish I needed one! I have two Breezers, and the geometries are fantastic, yielding great, fun-riding bikes. I think the 4130 tubed bikes, like this Inversion X and my Doppler Cafe, are kind of heavy, though, in the 29-30lbs range. The D’Fusion tubed bikes, like the Inversion Pro and my Venturi roadie, are lighter.
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I put together an All City Spacehorse, and it meets all your specs. I like the quality of the frame and paint work, it has a smooth and stable ride. I've run it with both 1x12 and 2x11 drivelines, it has disk brake mounts and uses thru axles.
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Also (and I don't know if this is a deal-breaker for the OP), the Space Horse is very heavy, since it's designed for light touring.
Aside from the above, it's a great frame set. I really mine and ride it a lot.
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I was going to start a new thread for this but figured I'd bring this one back to life.
Let's list off anyone currently making steel gravel frames that are easily available in the US. Especially sub $2k frames. Especially ones with racier geometry.
Our friends across the pond seem to have a wealth of folks making Reynolds frames. The Fairlights looks puuurfect to me, but they're likely to remain expensive to import probably at least until 2028. :/
Looks like the Niner RLT is a goner from their lineup. RIP.
Wilde Ramblers look veeery nice.
Ritchey is still doing their thing with the Outback.
Soma, All-City, Kona, Marin, etc...
Gotta be something nice out there that I'm missing?
Let's list off anyone currently making steel gravel frames that are easily available in the US. Especially sub $2k frames. Especially ones with racier geometry.
Our friends across the pond seem to have a wealth of folks making Reynolds frames. The Fairlights looks puuurfect to me, but they're likely to remain expensive to import probably at least until 2028. :/
Looks like the Niner RLT is a goner from their lineup. RIP.
Wilde Ramblers look veeery nice.
Ritchey is still doing their thing with the Outback.
Soma, All-City, Kona, Marin, etc...
Gotta be something nice out there that I'm missing?
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What are the tariff for south american product? Dave from just ride bike reviewed a columbia steel brand and was impressed with the product and bough one (I have not asked him but he may have had a discount).
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Bikes: A few but not too many. Some new, some old. High ratio of Frenchies. Metal only.
Originally Posted by Fentuz
As I believe you are talking about tariffs for things coming from the UK and EU, you may need to consider what the situation is with far east. In the case of Ritchey and Marin, althought they are US brands, are the frames made in the US or far east (subject to trariff)?
What are the tariff for south american product? Dave from just ride bike reviewed a columbia steel brand and was impressed with the product and bough one (I have not asked him but he may have had a discount).
What are the tariff for south american product? Dave from just ride bike reviewed a columbia steel brand and was impressed with the product and bough one (I have not asked him but he may have had a discount).
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Bikes: A few but not too many. Some new, some old. High ratio of Frenchies. Metal only.
Originally Posted by Caliwild
I went with a Wilde Rambler SL... So far, I'm very happy with it.


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Its wireless shifting and the hoses are visible. You can see the hoses exit the bar tape, one hose runs through the fork blade and you can see it exits half a foot above the brake caliper, and the other hose runs along the left side of the downtube and underside of the left chainstay.
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Bikes: A few but not too many. Some new, some old. High ratio of Frenchies. Metal only.
With today’s SCOTUS ruling I might just go for a Fairlight Secan after all. Their attention to detail in the design books they publish is amazing.
That’s presuming things all shake out. I understand that there’s still room for additional duties on imported steel items via other mechanisms.
That’s presuming things all shake out. I understand that there’s still room for additional duties on imported steel items via other mechanisms.
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How about the Jamis Renegade?
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Black Mountain ModZero.
Awesome brand owner, US based, solid platform with tubing that's wells spec'd.
https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/
If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
Awesome brand owner, US based, solid platform with tubing that's wells spec'd.
https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/
If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
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Bikes: A few but not too many. Some new, some old. High ratio of Frenchies. Metal only.
Originally Posted by 996
I second Black Mountain Cycles - I have the original Road frameset, and it rides like a dream. Swapped out the steel fork for a Ritchey carbon fork as well.
That, and I have a stupid, irrational bias. Some dude around town that always seemed like a bit of a jerk rides one.
Frameset pricing sure is a-ok though.




