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Old 05-24-25 | 02:35 PM
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Recommend a steel frameset

I'm interested in building an all-road/gravel/light touring bike with parts from a donor bike to keep costs down.
I've considered frames from Crust, Wilde, Otso, Rodeo, Breadwinner, Surly, Panorama, & a couple others. Just curious as to what else might be out there.
So far, the top of my list includes the Wilde Rambler SL and Panorama Anticosti.

Here are my requirements.

+ New from a North American seller as a frameset.
+ Steel
+ 700c x 44 (at the very least, but would certainly welcome bigger clearance.)
+ Able to accomodate 2x GRX drivetrain.
+ Under $2k
+ Prefer a steel fork with mounts-a-plenty.
+ Upright leaning geometry.
+ Disc brakes.
+ Drop bar

What can you recommend that fits the criteria?

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Does Breadwinner offer a frameset under $2,000? I've almost bought a G Road several times, good looking bike.

Soma Wolverine is a good option, steel fork options available for using a regular touring or rando rack, or 3 pack mounts.

Stinner Refugio Select, comes with a carbon fork with 3 pack mounts. Not sure if it's upright enough.


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Geez, you can get an entire steel framed-and-forked Breezer Inversion X Expert with 2x GRX direct from Breezer for $1.5k, a price that may be impossible to beat:

https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
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If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
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Niner has their 853 steel frameset on sale. Carbon fork but plenty of mounts on the fork and frame. Press fit bottom bracket though.

https://www.ninerbikes.com/rlt-9-steel-frame/

Bikesdirect has an inexpensive 853 steel complete bike. Carbon fork on that one, too.

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products...avel-bikes.htm

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Geez, you can get an entire steel framed-and-forked Breezer Inversion X Expert with 2x GRX direct from Breezer for $1.5k, a price that may be impossible to beat:

https://www.breezerbikes.com/collect...on-x-expert-22
This seems like a great deal, with an almost full GRX groupset (albeit a mixture of 810 derailleurs, 600 STI levers, and 400 disc brake calipers and rotors) except a KMC chain.
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This seems like a great deal, with an almost full GRX groupset (albeit a mixture of 810 derailleurs, 600 STI levers, and 400 disc brake calipers and rotors) except a KMC chain.
Yeah, I think so, too! I wish I needed one! I have two Breezers, and the geometries are fantastic, yielding great, fun-riding bikes. I think the 4130 tubed bikes, like this Inversion X and my Doppler Cafe, are kind of heavy, though, in the 29-30lbs range. The D’Fusion tubed bikes, like the Inversion Pro and my Venturi roadie, are lighter.
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I put together an All City Spacehorse, and it meets all your specs. I like the quality of the frame and paint work, it has a smooth and stable ride. I've run it with both 1x12 and 2x11 drivelines, it has disk brake mounts and uses thru axles.
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling
I put together an All City Spacehorse, and it meets all your specs. I like the quality of the frame and paint work, it has a smooth and stable ride. I've run it with both 1x12 and 2x11 drivelines, it has disk brake mounts and uses thru axles.
OP wants minimum 44mm tire clearance, which is pushing it on a Space Horse -- I've run 42mm wide tires on mine, but there isn't a whole lot of clearance.

Also (and I don't know if this is a deal-breaker for the OP), the Space Horse is very heavy, since it's designed for light touring.

Aside from the above, it's a great frame set. I really mine and ride it a lot.
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My 2021 space horse grx came stock with 47mm tires. Plenty of room
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I was going to start a new thread for this but figured I'd bring this one back to life.

Let's list off anyone currently making steel gravel frames that are easily available in the US. Especially sub $2k frames. Especially ones with racier geometry.

Our friends across the pond seem to have a wealth of folks making Reynolds frames. The Fairlights looks puuurfect to me, but they're likely to remain expensive to import probably at least until 2028. :/

Looks like the Niner RLT is a goner from their lineup. RIP.

Wilde Ramblers look veeery nice.

Ritchey is still doing their thing with the Outback.

Soma, All-City, Kona, Marin, etc...

Gotta be something nice out there that I'm missing?
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Our friends across the pond seem to have a wealth of folks making Reynolds frames. The Fairlights looks puuurfect to me, but they're likely to remain expensive to import probably at least until 2028. :/
As I believe you are talking about tariffs for things coming from the UK and EU, you may need to consider what the situation is with far east. In the case of Ritchey and Marin, althought they are US brands, are the frames made in the US or far east (subject to trariff)?
What are the tariff for south american product? Dave from just ride bike reviewed a columbia steel brand and was impressed with the product and bough one (I have not asked him but he may have had a discount).
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As I believe you are talking about tariffs for things coming from the UK and EU, you may need to consider what the situation is with far east. In the case of Ritchey and Marin, althought they are US brands, are the frames made in the US or far east (subject to trariff)?
What are the tariff for south american product? Dave from just ride bike reviewed a columbia steel brand and was impressed with the product and bough one (I have not asked him but he may have had a discount).
Any imported bicycle frame is subject to additional duties. The US isn't the primary market for smaller UK manufacturers, such as Fairlight. So they don't roll tariffs into their pricing. Without having access to Ritchey's books, I can't say for certain, but would guess that with the volume of frames they have made that their own unit pricing is less expensive, making the amount of duties they pass along to the consumer less expensive.
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I went with a Wilde Rambler SL... So far, I'm very happy with it.


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I went with a Wilde Rambler SL... So far, I'm very happy with it.

did you air-bush the cables and hoses out?
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I went with a Wilde Rambler SL... So far, I'm very happy with it.

Beautiful looking bike! I’ve been really leaning into one of these as my best option as well. I’d probably snag my current GRX 2x11 mech off the current bike, but upgrade to some nice carbon wheels as you’ve done there.
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did you air-bush the cables and hoses out?
Its wireless shifting and the hoses are visible. You can see the hoses exit the bar tape, one hose runs through the fork blade and you can see it exits half a foot above the brake caliper, and the other hose runs along the left side of the downtube and underside of the left chainstay.
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Bikes: A few but not too many. Some new, some old. High ratio of Frenchies. Metal only.

With today’s SCOTUS ruling I might just go for a Fairlight Secan after all. Their attention to detail in the design books they publish is amazing.

That’s presuming things all shake out. I understand that there’s still room for additional duties on imported steel items via other mechanisms.

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S1 frame was my choice but they've been sold out. I found a demo on ebay and grabbed it last week. Looks like they are back in stock now. (The Jamis website was down for the past few days FWIW)
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Black Mountain ModZero.
Awesome brand owner, US based, solid platform with tubing that's wells spec'd.
https://blackmtncycles.com/mod-zero-2/



If you are willing to buy from across the pond, a Fairlight Faran has everything you want. High level tubing, extremely well thought out frame design, plenty of tire room, super versatile geometry, etc.
https://fairlightcycles.com/faran-2-5/?v=7885444af42e
I second Black Mountain Cycles - I have the original Road frameset, and it rides like a dream. Swapped out the steel fork for a Ritchey carbon fork as well.
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I second Black Mountain Cycles - I have the original Road frameset, and it rides like a dream. Swapped out the steel fork for a Ritchey carbon fork as well.
The geo on that mod zero looks a bit scrunched and upright for my taste. And still a pretty high stand over height to boot.

That, and I have a stupid, irrational bias. Some dude around town that always seemed like a bit of a jerk rides one.

Frameset pricing sure is a-ok though.
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OP, what did you end up getting?
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