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Old 03-02-24, 06:35 PM
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Nice that you followed-up with a report.
And good to know the bike fits the purposes.
How about a picture?
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
Nice that you followed-up with a report.
And good to know the bike fits the purposes.
How about a picture?
Sure.





Second photo shows the bike properly loaded down to prove its qualities as a cargo bike.
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That bike looks absolutely WICKED!!!
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Excellent report, and that bike looks like a loaded bike should. There are no R & M dealers in socal AFAIK since my friend sold his shop and moved to Thailand.
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
Sure.
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Second photo shows the bike properly loaded down to prove its qualities as a cargo bike.
Very nice. This is The Way.
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The most pleasant surprise for me from ebiking has been what a good workout it is. I really didn't expect this. I found this study which confirms my experience: https://electrek.co/2019/08/11/elect...than-cyclists/
The secret is that you have full control over the amount of workout you are getting, so you just set the assist level to get a constant, sustainable, pleasant level of effort. You don't worry about hills. You go faster. So you can cover a lot more distance. Not to mention a large proportion of what would otherwise be car trips, can be pleasantly done on two wheels.
I am just more and more delighted with this decision to buy an ebike instead of a car, with every week which goes by. It's an incredibly versatile, useful vehicle, which gives enormous pleasure.
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
The most pleasant surprise for me from ebiking has been what a good workout it is. I really didn't expect this. I found this study which confirms my experience: https://electrek.co/2019/08/11/elect...than-cyclists/
The secret is that you have full control over the amount of workout you are getting, so you just set the assist level to get a constant, sustainable, pleasant level of effort. You don't worry about hills. You go faster. So you can cover a lot more distance. Not to mention a large proportion of what would otherwise be car trips, can be pleasantly done on two wheels.
I am just more and more delighted with this decision to buy an ebike instead of a car, with every week which goes by. It's an incredibly versatile, useful vehicle, which gives enormous pleasure.
Agree 100% and regular cyclists just. don't. get it. They assume eBikers are all lazy or crippled.
I'm in my local bike club and there is a stigma against eBikes. They accept eBikes for older riders or riders who are handicapped in some way, but I get little looks and comments when I choose to ride my eBike as an able-bodied middle-aged man. Sometimes, it's that I'm sore from the previous day's ride and want to rest my muscles, so riding the mBike again isn't in the cards. I either forgo the ride or take my eBike.

There's one guy who rides an road eBike (Trek Domane+) who used to be A Fast Guy. he had heart problems and got a pacemaker, so that his heart cannot go fast enough for him to maintain the pace he did as a younger man, but he wanted to ride with the same fast people. For him, the solution was eBike. He couldn't take the hit to his pride of moving down to a slower group. OR, he didn't want to be limited to the options of either riding with the slower group or getting dropped from the faster groups.

Another point in favor of eBikes is temperature flexibility: In hotter weather, we don't have to arrive sweaty. When it gets really hot here, I plan to take my eMoped and not sweat at ALL on the commute in to work.
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Old 03-13-24, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Smaug1
Agree 100% and regular cyclists just. don't. get it. They assume eBikers are all lazy or crippled.
I'm in my local bike club and there is a stigma against eBikes. They accept eBikes for older riders or riders who are handicapped in some way, but I get little looks and comments when I choose to ride my eBike as an able-bodied middle-aged man. Sometimes, it's that I'm sore from the previous day's ride and want to rest my muscles, so riding the mBike again isn't in the cards. I either forgo the ride or take my eBike.

There's one guy who rides an road eBike (Trek Domane+) who used to be A Fast Guy. he had heart problems and got a pacemaker, so that his heart cannot go fast enough for him to maintain the pace he did as a younger man, but he wanted to ride with the same fast people. For him, the solution was eBike. He couldn't take the hit to his pride of moving down to a slower group. OR, he didn't want to be limited to the options of either riding with the slower group or getting dropped from the faster groups.

Another point in favor of eBikes is temperature flexibility: In hotter weather, we don't have to arrive sweaty. When it gets really hot here, I plan to take my eMoped and not sweat at ALL on the commute in to work.
That's a good point about hot weather. I hadn't thought about that. I live in Northern Europe above 60N in the land of the midnight sun, so we don't have that much hot weather, but I HATE to be sweaty (one reason I moved up here).

What concerns social acceptance of e-bikes -- I am absolutely sure this will grow with time. E-bikes are so bloody fantastic that most people will be riding them before too long. We are just early adopters.
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I don't work in an office so only commute when I have meetings, but I'm riding mine every single day that I'm not traveling by air somewhere. The effect on my mobility is amazing. The e-bike has greatly widened my geographic horizons. It's still wintry here with ice and snow but spring will come soon and it will be even more pleasure to be on the bike.
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My wife has the Gazelle Ultimate C380 as described above. We live on Vancouver Island. Great bike.
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Old 04-19-24, 12:30 PM
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Small update.
I now have a few hundred km on this bike and still love it.
HOWEVER, for the price (nearly €5k), I have certain quibbles:
1. Rohloff drivetrain. The Shimano Linkglide system is good, but chain maintenance, gear range. Rohloff is right for this grade of bike.
2. Hard tail. Despite the Thudbuster seat post, I neverthless get thuds up my butt. I'm coming to this bike from a full suspension Dahon Jetstream EX and I miss the full suspension. I realize that full suspension is not really compatible with all the rackage of this cargo bike.
3. Suntour fork. It's not bad (it's the air version), but for this kind of money, shouldn't there be Fox long travel forks?

What I do really love, however is:

1. Cockpit geometry. Fits like a dream!
2. Low center of gravity. Rides really well, very stable even when heavily loaded down (I double my girlfriend sometimes; carrying her 50kg and a ton of groceries is NO problem).
3. Motor, control system. Kudos to Bosch. Brilliant system.
4. Front rack. I have the bigger one, and my backpack-type briefcase slots right into it. I don't even need to tie it down.
5. Panniers. Beautifully designed, and expandable to gargantuan capacity.
6. Beautifully finished and put together. That's what we pay for, I guess.

I have a crazy idea that I'll order a R&M Delight with Rohloff and Fox suspension upgrade, and use the Multicharger for hauling stuff and the Delight for getting around. Kind of a silly idea I guess.
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To put all this in perspective, what I paid for this bicycle is more than what I paid for my last motorcycle -- a used Ducati Monster, a magnificent bike, two wheel Ferrari.
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Thanks for the update. I've become (with the aging processes changing my ability to absorb impact) a FS devotee too, although I still ride rigid (for a change) every so often. My first BBS02 conversion was a hardtail, but that has been changed to a bike with FS.

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Nice to hear.

And yet more evidence the Perfect Bike is four bikes, minimum. :-)
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Wanted to add a report -- I spent nearly €5000 on my fancy R&M Multicharger, but last year I bought my girlfriend a cheap Zundapp 802 with hub motor from Amazon. It cost about €1000.

Well, I think my girlfriend is getting even more pleasure from that Zundapp, than I get from my R&M. She LOVES it. The cheap Chinese tech -- Bafong I guess -- works brilliantly. She goes everywhere with it. And unlike my bike, which has 11 speeds and no front derailleur, this one has 27 speeds, and is light enough -- unlike my bike -- to work quite well even without assist.

Shows that you don't always get what you pay for. Sometimes much more.
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Originally Posted by Rick_D
Nice to hear.

And yet more evidence the Perfect Bike is four bikes, minimum. :-)
This is a good thread idea.
4 eBikes, or 4 bikes of any kind?
It would be appropriate in the General forum, but there are so many meanies there I don't think I can do it, hehehe.

My four:
  1. Trek Domane road bike. (currently I'm on an AL3; love it) This would be my fitness and touring bike.
  2. Lectric Xpedition w/dual batteries. Commuter & grocery-getter. (I'd love one with a belt drive...)
  3. Lectric XP Lite. Portable and loaner eBike.
  4. Priority Apollo 11 gravel bike. This would be a mechanical commuter and all-around bike.
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Originally Posted by Smaug1
This is a good thread idea.
4 eBikes, or 4 bikes of any kind?
It would be appropriate in the General forum, but there are so many meanies there I don't think I can do it, hehehe.

My four:
  1. Trek Domane road bike. (currently I'm on an AL3; love it) This would be my fitness and touring bike.
  2. Lectric Xpedition w/dual batteries. Commuter & grocery-getter. (I'd love one with a belt drive...)
  3. Lectric XP Lite. Portable and loaner eBike.
  4. Priority Apollo 11 gravel bike. This would be a mechanical commuter and all-around bike.
4 bikes eeek! I almost have that in E-bikes and then another 10 or so regular bikes. I have a potentially full set up minus wheels for another Vado SL which got taken apart when my boss got his new Vado SL which I also have but I don't know what I am going to do with that one.
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Originally Posted by Smaug1
This is a good thread idea.
4 eBikes, or 4 bikes of any kind?
It would be appropriate in the General forum, but there are so many meanies there I don't think I can do it, hehehe.

My four:
  1. Trek Domane road bike. (currently I'm on an AL3; love it) This would be my fitness and touring bike.
  2. Lectric Xpedition w/dual batteries. Commuter & grocery-getter. (I'd love one with a belt drive...)
  3. Lectric XP Lite. Portable and loaner eBike.
  4. Priority Apollo 11 gravel bike. This would be a mechanical commuter and all-around bike.
I'd be dismissed as a freshman if it were e-bikes ("get outta here kid, and come back when you have a real collection") but bike-bikes, I'm good.
'80s Colnago road
'90s Davidson road, Specialized mtn
'00s Litespeed road
'10s Spot commuter
'20s BMC e-bike, Spot mtn

I do not know a guitarist with one guitar, and their "last guitar" and "next guitar" are interchangeable. Bikes are like that, plus they're always conspiring to break in sync. Gotta love that. Was down to zero with my two working bikes in the shop and got motivated to bring the garage hulks back to life. Now they all work [knocks wood]. "Ah sweah ah will never go bikeless again!"
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I'd be dismissed as a freshman if it were e-bikes ("get outta here kid, and come back when you have a real collection") but bike-bikes, I'm good.
'80s Colnago road
'90s Davidson road, Specialized mtn
'00s Litespeed road
'10s Spot commuter
'20s BMC e-bike, Spot mtn

I do not know a guitarist with one guitar, and their "last guitar" and "next guitar" are interchangeable. Bikes are like that, plus they're always conspiring to break in sync. Gotta love that. Was down to zero with my two working bikes in the shop and got motivated to bring the garage hulks back to life. Now they all work [knocks wood]. "Ah sweah ah will never go bikeless again!"
Well, choosing mBikes instead of eBikes as part of your four, I can forgive.

...but choosing 5 instead of the specified 4; THAT makes you a freshman! ...or is it 7? The 2nd and 5th lines each have two bikes? That might work on your wife, but not us!

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Originally Posted by Dockhead
Then there's this: https://www.vaastbikes.eu/e1 and here: https://www.vaastbikes.eu/model-e-1-rohloff/
Full suspension bike (unlike all the others I'm looking at), and with an extremely cool rear suspension setup.
Good racks and carrying
Does not have the top CX Bosch motor.
But it has ROHLOFF [drool]
With the very low bottom gear in the Rohloff, the more powerful CX motor might not be needed (and battery will last longer).
It's being sold by one German dealer on Ebay for €5800, so €2.5k less than the comparable Riese & Müller, which has the top Bosch motor but no rear suspension.
This is intriguing. My Jetstream has a high end full suspension on it which I'm very grateful for (cobblestones, curbstones, etc.), but it's more important with the little 20" wheels, than it would be in this application.
An e-bike battery encased in a frame of flammable metal. What could possibly go wrong?
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