There's another thread on this bike which asks about sizing, and I don't want to poach. I noticed from another thread that @packitin located the subject bike for $1199 (down from $2999) an incredible value IMO since my Haibike has a Yamaha system that has been perfect (except for a glitch in the PAS/on-off control) for seven years. My local Yamaha dealer lists the same price and if this bike satisfies your needs.....

Today I realized that Yamaha is also providing 60% off their Full Suspension MTB's. Originally the bikes were $5500 to $6700 (or so), now $1900 to $2600 (or so). They all seem to be 27.5 models, not a good size these days AFAICT.

Edit: They also provide an extra battery free (BTW, I'm not affiliated with Yamaha in any way).

Solid, solid deal IMO. There are enough tires out there to be worth the purchase.

The 27.5" vs 29" debate is kind of silly, but if it brings those prices down, that is great news! I have short legs, so I kind of prefer the (slightly) smaller wheels.

I didn't mean anything negative about functionality with 27.5 (I'm still riding a 26" MTB that's 19 years old). It's just not the length of skirt the ladies in "OC" are wearing now (out of fashion here).

I'm partial to 29ers, as they roll over obstacles easier. I do own a 27B BMX bike though, and I have no "regerts" whatsoever. It's almost as good, IMO, at rolling over obstacles just as well, as far as I can tell.. Screw fashion, it's all about function. I'll look just as beautiful riding either size!

Sortta Late to this, but the general marketplace speaks different for the 27.5
Taking out fat tire 20 inch size bikes (like RadPower).
The largest market segment are the all-purpose bikes. These tend to be in 3 pricing classes - Upper end over $2500, those from about 1200-1400 to $2500, and then those below the $1200 price.
For the upper price point as well as the middle 1200-2500 price, 27.5 tends to dominate those offerings, which is the bike most often seen for those wanting an All-purpose machine, tire sizes from 2.25 to 2.5 usually... Aside from the 20 inch fat tire group, this All purpose ebike group of 2.4 x 27.5 is the most sold. Both in labeled brands such as Trek, as well as general standard builds found on bikes from china (most come from china anyway...). There is also the much smaller 'City' Segment which comes with 40-50mm width x 700c - but much smaller sales segment.
26 inch City/All Purpose bikes tend to dominate in the under $1200 price points...
I tend to believe that 27.5 wheeled ebikes will continue to be a strong market segment, maybe the strongest...
Ride On
Yuri

Hey Yuri, reality check. There are almost no 27.5 offerings these days (except "mullets" or bikes that can be operated with 27.5" or 29" tires). Look at the web sites for Trek, Specialized etc.

This is a great deal. Comes with a 5 year warranty and an extra battery for $1200 plus tax.

FIVE of my friends bought these when they were in sale for ~$2,200 earlier this summer. My wife and I rode them and really liked them but were on the fence about spending the money.

When the $1200 deal came around we could not resist.

These are our first eBikes. We both ride road, gravel and MTB. We got these for commuting and running errands in town (lots of steep hills).

Picked them up a few days ago, and I ran around town yesterday and had so much fun doing it. Climbed some very steep hills with a heavy load of stuff and did not break a sweat.

The fork and tires are crap, but not complaining for the price. Going to replace the fork with a steel rigid with bosses for a front rack. I will replace the tires with something bigger to run lower pressure.

I'm curious what tapered 1-1/8 650c chromo forks are there ? Or you're going to get a 27.5" fork (which makes much more sense to me?) And if so, why not get the Wabash from the get go?

I don’t follow most of this.

I don’t need a tapered fork.

And why would looking for a 27.5” fork rather than a 650b fork indicate a Wabash? For that matter, what is the difference? 650b and 27.5” mean the same thing. Heck, a 700c or 29er fork can be fine, too. What matters is that the A2C is close and it has the tire clearance I want. Disc forks don’t care what wheel sizes in them. The stock fork is actually marketed as a 29” fork.

in any event, I did not get a Wabash because I don’t want drop bars for this.

Cause your Crosscore clearly shows it uses tapered 1.5" fork. I already looked for an upgraded air fork for "MY" crosscore, and had to find a 1.5" tapered air fork that accepted 650/27.5s", which was far and few in between. Not talking the Wabash.

You don’t need a tapered fork to run in a tapered head tube. A 1-1/8” straight steerer can be run in a tapered head tube. You just need a different lower headset cup. My Wednesday came stock this way. So did my friend’s Krampus.

Looks like the blowout deals were due to Yamaha exiting the US eBike market:

https://electrek.co/2024/11/02/yamaha-throws-in-the-towel-pulls-out-of-e-bike-market-in-north-america/

Looks like the deal is winding down, as they're out of stock on all remaining sale models online. Only what's left in local dealers will get the promotion now:
https://www.yamahabicycles.com/promotions/#fan

I'm picking up my Wabash RT this afternoon.

Even though Yamaha is leaving the USA bike market it's still getting 5 years of warranty service, and that makes it totally worthwhile. ENJOY!

But who is doing the warranty? When a company leaves the U.S. they usually aren't focused on that warranty department. 5 years is awesome if you have someone at the other end of the line. I have seen a few companies where maybe year 1 you can still get a modicum of support and then the next years it slides down and then I have seen stuff where there is another company involved like in the U.S. with PON holdings when Focus/Impulse left Gazelle took over and that worked out decently well because GZ has great warranty support but Yamaha is independent making their own products.

Hopefully they will support that stuff because from my limited time but several rides on a Yamaha motor, it was nice and yeah if a good deal at your local former dealer hard to beat if the service is real.

Yamaha is not leaving the US market. They are just not selling eBikes. Yamaha still has a ton of dealers in the US (the powersport dealers they were selling many of these through are not going anywhere). Plus, they are still making and selling these bikes elsewhere (Europe and Canada), so there will be no shortage of warranty parts. Plus, keep in mid that they also make motors for many other eBikes. And this is a pretty well establish company with a good reputation.

I would not be too worried about this.

Giant is still using Yamaha systems which saved me when Haibike left for a couple of years (did they ever return or are they like Charlie on the MTA?) and I needed a new display/PAS switch.

True, I had forgotten about Giant but is Giant using Yamaha or are they basically Giant motors they designed with Yamaha and they are the ones handling their own warranty issues like say Specialized (which is fine for a Specialized bike they have excellent support) If the Giant is a Giant eco-system it might make it tougher.

They do have powersports and pianos and such but there are a lot of companies that will support certain things in certain countries but not in the U.S. or elsewhere. Maybe I have a Fox fork but Fox Argentina only does truck parts, type of deal. A lot of departments are separate like Bosch for instance the E-bike stuff is completely separate from their power tools which is separate from their automotive which is separate from their home division and the e-bike reps cannot get access to any of that stuff.

They do have a decent reputation and are unlikely going anywhere as a company but that division leaving could still potentially make it tough support wise. I hope it doesn't but I would worry a little.

You might have seen my conversation in the Wabash RT thread. It was a powersports dealer and not all Yamaha dealers had the foresight to sell their eBikes.
This dealer said that Yamaha eBikes kept them going through COVID when the more complex products were not available due to supply chain issues.
The owner of this tiny shop told me they've sold over 200 Yamaha eBikes since Sep. 2024. (!) He thought they didn't need to discount them THAT deeply...

Anyone know of any other sources to get the crosscore rc service manual besides yamaha direct, it's $90 and around $25 shipping fee from Yamaha, dealer not to close to me and would like just to know if problems would jump up.

Yes, Yamaha is leaving the US market. There is no doubt. They still promise parts support though. Yamaha has a bunch of powersports dealers but that was most of their problem. Cyclists dont go to motorcycle dealers to buy bikes! I went to motorcycle dealers when they begged me to take bikes from their stock because they couldnt sell them. I think that is the biggest reason their business plan failed in the US.

As for the other branded bikes, you have to buy parts for them from Giant. Same for Haibike and BH but thats a big problem since they left the US.

-SP

I finally got around to replacing the fork and getting a front rack/basket.



I’ve got some new tires on order to replace these garden hoses. Continental Contact Urban 27.5 X 2.2.