Haleakala bike ban
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Haleakala bike ban
When ebikes are legal again in Hawaii Up hill rentals to go up and down the volcano will have less overhead and liabilities than the banned downhill tours had. The void in the 9 million plus $ per year industury would not be any competition to replace with ebike rentals..
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I don't personally understand the point of this thread, because it just seems like you're taking enjoyment in the loss of other businesses.
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The politics of the downhill bike companies did have much to do with making ebikes illegal so what a shame it will turn against them.
Where there is a void somthing else will try to fill it... Its called business!
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Well, your personal opinion is noted, but it doesn't really fit in this forum? Sounds more like business politics than anything to me, although i'm curious to know *why* electric bikes are "banned" in Hawaii now. Wikipedia simply states that they're not banned, but rather are universally considered to be mopeds.
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Well, your personal opinion is noted, but it doesn't really fit in this forum? Sounds more like business politics than anything to me, although i'm curious to know *why* electric bikes are "banned" in Hawaii now. Wikipedia simply states that they're not banned, but rather are universally considered to be mopeds.
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That's really silly. Here in NZ electric bikes are treated the same as ordinary bicycles and don't need any form of registration. Mind you our government very much wants to promote alternative forms of transport so that's a major reason why I can ride around for free on my e.trike, but if I put a petrol motor on it of the same wattage rating I would need to get it registered as a motor vehicle.
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That's really silly. Here in NZ electric bikes are treated the same as ordinary bicycles and don't need any form of registration. Mind you our government very much wants to promote alternative forms of transport so that's a major reason why I can ride around for free on my e.trike, but if I put a petrol motor on it of the same wattage rating I would need to get it registered as a motor vehicle.
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I'm not exactly sure how going down a mountain on an ebike will be safer than riding downhill on a regular pedal bike. Perhaps it's the riders and equipment that need evaluation.
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Well, what he's referring to is the difference between large tours and individual/small run use, I think. Having personal experience as a cyclist in solo/small group tours and in large tours: the mechanics, styling, logistics and execution of both are *quite* different.
Large groups provide more forgiveness for breakdowns/technical mistakes. Smaller groups provide more forgiveness for riding style differences/riding mistakes. That has nothing to do with what you're riding, it simply has to do with how the decisions of yourself and those around you can impact one another. Literally.
This is like comparing apples to oranges. These two styles of touring really aren't interconnected, neither are the business models behind them. For the most part each cyclist much prefers one style or the other, you'll often find that people will be totally married to either solo/small group touring *or* large group touring. I personally will not be going on another large group tour, simply due to lack of personal freedom in going where I want to go, stopping where I want to stop.
Large groups provide more forgiveness for breakdowns/technical mistakes. Smaller groups provide more forgiveness for riding style differences/riding mistakes. That has nothing to do with what you're riding, it simply has to do with how the decisions of yourself and those around you can impact one another. Literally.
This is like comparing apples to oranges. These two styles of touring really aren't interconnected, neither are the business models behind them. For the most part each cyclist much prefers one style or the other, you'll often find that people will be totally married to either solo/small group touring *or* large group touring. I personally will not be going on another large group tour, simply due to lack of personal freedom in going where I want to go, stopping where I want to stop.
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Ah, that will be why my 250watt hub motor has a 200watt switchover on the motor controller. Mind you most of the time I use the 200watt option because I like to pedal with the hub motor and the batteries last longer.
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