best AA / replaceable li-ion taillight
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The way I have mine set up for night is the two dimmest ones are on flash, the main one is the brightest and that one is on steady mode, during the day (depending on where I'm riding if I even have it on) I only turn on the main one and put it on flash.
I'm not saying my way is the best way, it's just what I do because I read two different studies on flash vs steady, European studies show that steady is the best and it's not even legal to use a flashing light there; however I read a Canadian and US study that showed that flashing is better; so I decided to cover both spectrums! I have no idea if what I do works, I know I've never been hit from behind but then again I was never hit behind before they even had tail lights, so I don't know, I just do it.
I'm not saying my way is the best way, it's just what I do because I read two different studies on flash vs steady, European studies show that steady is the best and it's not even legal to use a flashing light there; however I read a Canadian and US study that showed that flashing is better; so I decided to cover both spectrums! I have no idea if what I do works, I know I've never been hit from behind but then again I was never hit behind before they even had tail lights, so I don't know, I just do it.
#52
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From: Columbia, Maryland
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The way I have mine set up for night is the two dimmest ones are on flash, the main one is the brightest and that one is on steady mode, during the day (depending on where I'm riding if I even have it on) I only turn on the main one and put it on flash.
I'm not saying my way is the best way, it's just what I do because I read two different studies on flash vs steady, European studies show that steady is the best and it's not even legal to use a flashing light there; however I read a Canadian and US study that showed that flashing is better; so I decided to cover both spectrums! I have no idea if what I do works, I know I've never been hit from behind but then again I was never hit behind before they even had tail lights, so I don't know, I just do it.
I'm not saying my way is the best way, it's just what I do because I read two different studies on flash vs steady, European studies show that steady is the best and it's not even legal to use a flashing light there; however I read a Canadian and US study that showed that flashing is better; so I decided to cover both spectrums! I have no idea if what I do works, I know I've never been hit from behind but then again I was never hit behind before they even had tail lights, so I don't know, I just do it.
I see no problem using steady mode but if the lamp is mediocre in brightness there is a chance it will not draw enough attention when cars are near. Secondly, even more chance it will not be seen at distance as there is more chance a dim lamp will blend into the background of ambient light if there are lots of other light sources near it. I've seen this effect myself many times so I know it's true. On many occasions I've seen cyclists using small rear lamps ( on steady ) with likely only about 5 lumen of output. Personally, I'd rather the person use a cheap reflectorized vest than a single shoddy low output lamp.
I've come to the conclusion that if you want to be seen at night as a cyclist you need to "stand out" from the crowd ( or your surroundings to be more accurate ). The more "unique" or attention getting your set-up the more chance you have of drawing the attention of approaching motorists. I know from personal experience that I will almost always have my attention drawn to a bright flashing rear light sooner than a bright steady rear light. Of course if the light source is steady but very, very bright that too tends to draw my attention. We've all heard the expression, "It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease"....Well, in the world of road night bike riding, the equivalent statement would be, " That which draws the most visual attention is that which is going to be seen sooner rather than later".
Yes, a very bright rear lamp on steady mode will get seen but IMO a very bright rear lamp using a good flash mode will draw more attention sooner. Of course if you use multiple lamps you don't have to use all on flash. More lamps used to create a larger visual awareness is always going to be the better way to go. Sadly, not many people are willing to take that approach.
Summing up, if I'm only using one rear lamp I want at least 60 lumen output and I want it on flash and pointed straight back. Then I'll insist upon some good reflective clothing/shoes. If using two lamps one can be steady and one on flash. No matter what set-up I use I want at least one lamp to be very bright and on flash. Reflective clothing I feel should be mandatory no matter what lamps you use. The bigger the visual footprint you present at night the safer you should be.
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From: NE Indiana
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^^ I agree with you, that's why my brightest rear light is a 70 lumen job, that one is the one that is on steady at night, and my two older ones put out about 10 to 15 lumens each and those flash. We have a slightly different approach but no big deal. The Euro study was interesting because they discovered that motorists have a difficult time telling how far they are away from an object that had a flashing light and were more likely to hit it vs a steady one and that's why it's against the law in Europe to have a flashing tail light. The Canadian/America study showed that a flashing light attracted the attention of motorists better then steady did, but I read anything in that study about being able to judge distance accurately so that study left that part out, had they included it it would have been interesting if they would have banned flashing lights or not.
I also use reflective stuff, the shoes have a reflective triangle, I wear reflective ankle bands, the seat bag had a reflective band, I wear a cheap safety vest that has wide reflective strips on it, and the helmet has reflective stuff. But in my experience reflective stuff can't be counted on because unless a cars headlights are heading right at it they may never see the reflective effect, but they will see active lighting...assuming of course it's not those dim 1 to 10 lumen lights that are out there.
But that's why I use both, the lights and the reflective stuff is because like you said the bigger footprint the better. Even on the front I use 2 headlights, the brightest one is on the bar and the dimmer one is on the helmet. If I'm riding in the city or burbs after dark I put the helmet light on flash and bar one always remains on steady, but if I'm riding on a country road or a dark unlit bike path then the helmet light goes on steady. I like the helmet light because I can use it to flash the light through a car's windows to alert the driver that I'm there.
I also use reflective stuff, the shoes have a reflective triangle, I wear reflective ankle bands, the seat bag had a reflective band, I wear a cheap safety vest that has wide reflective strips on it, and the helmet has reflective stuff. But in my experience reflective stuff can't be counted on because unless a cars headlights are heading right at it they may never see the reflective effect, but they will see active lighting...assuming of course it's not those dim 1 to 10 lumen lights that are out there.
But that's why I use both, the lights and the reflective stuff is because like you said the bigger footprint the better. Even on the front I use 2 headlights, the brightest one is on the bar and the dimmer one is on the helmet. If I'm riding in the city or burbs after dark I put the helmet light on flash and bar one always remains on steady, but if I'm riding on a country road or a dark unlit bike path then the helmet light goes on steady. I like the helmet light because I can use it to flash the light through a car's windows to alert the driver that I'm there.
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