8 mounts but no helmet mount?

$200 doesn't go as far as it used to. :-)

lol!

Hmmm....I had previously thought that the numerical listing "400" of the model referred to the lumen output as with previous DiNotte models...BUT...you are right. I found the listed lumen output on the DiNotte site but it's not like they list it in the opening product description. You have to scroll down the page to where they list all the spec's. I didn't see that before. I stand corrected. Matter of fact none of the DiNotte rear lamps are listing the outputs I thought they had. Hate when that crap happens. :notamused: Damn, all this time I thought the numbers on the different rear lamp models were a reference to the output. That said, I wonder now how many other people have thought the same thing. In my opinion this is a type of deceptive marketing by DiNotte.

Regardless, the 400R ( at 240 lm ) should still look brighter but I suppose it's possible if the 400R has a wider dispersal pattern it indeed might not look as bright ( at distance ) as the Cygolite Hotshot 150. Since the HS 150 provides a narrow beam pattern it could very well look brighter at distance...not saying that's true only possible.

See Sense lights anyone?

The Dinotte 300R weighs 88 grams / ~3 ounces. It has an anodized aluminum body and enough battery to run from 4 hours on steady full power to 16 hours on steady low. It is heavier than I would want to mount on a helmet.

You don't seem capable of understanding nuance. If you think all xx lumen lights are created equal than I suppose you might come to that conclusion. If you look at them in person there are definite differences.

And again, the 300R has been discontinued and replaced with the Quad Red which is lighter. People don't generally spend $200 on a helmet mounted light. Mount the Dinotte to your bike and buy a $30-50 light for your helmet.

Previous testers in this thread confirm cygo150 is brighter than dinotte 300. Both lighter and $160 less.

You have noticed that the Dinotte 300R technology and price is at least 6 years old? The entire LED market has delivered more light at lower costs over that time.

This entire thread is about new led's that are equal in performance to dinette's at a fifth of the price.

3 ounces is too much weight for your head? Well that's weird, because I mount a Cygolite MityCross 480 with the battery on my helmet that weighs almost 8 1/2 ounces combined with a tail light that weighs just over 2 1/2 ounces for a total of 11 ounces I don't even know it's on my head. Even helmet mounted front and rear light combos like the one from Light & Motion called the Vis 360 weighs over 4 1/2 ounces. Perhaps you need to do some neck strengthening exercises.

"Bro" the "dinette" does not cost $250. IT'S NOT A CURRENT MODEL, YOU SEE. It did cost $200 in 2010, 2011, 2012 even 2013 when $50 lights did not hold a candle to it.

And "bro" you ought to read the thread if you're going to claim to know what it's all about:

Congrats. Still, I prefer to put the 88 gram Dinotte 300R on the seat post and the 40 gram Axiom Pulse 60 on the helmet.

Except 60 lumens is dim by today's standards. I'm not saying that putting the Dinotte on the seat post is a bad idea, I put my brightest tail light either on the seat post or seat tube as well, but I put my dimmest one on the helmet since it will be on flash mode. A lot of people use helmet mounted lights, usually in addition to a bar mounted light, because you can move the light to shine anywhere your eyes are looking, or flash the light into a car window to get their attention. In fact a most any place on the internet about the subject of handlebar light vs helmet light suggests that if you can only afford one light to get a helmet light first then later add a bar light. But if the neck muscles aren't strong enough then don't bother, you don't want a pulled neck muscles while riding...:innocent:

[MENTION=205284]rekmeyata[/MENTION] To each his own. Everybody is different. He doesn't have to agree with your viewpoint. I probably wouldn't want to wear a light on my helmet either.

As well, the general tone from several posters in this thread is getting a tad too personal and hostile.

If somebody doesn't agree with your viewpoint, then drop it. Why aggravate yourself arguing about it?

The whole goal is a light thats gets you noticed, correct? All of these in this thread probably do that.

Because it's fun, besides I get that stuff all the time so I've learned from the best, but I do have to say, there are some here better than I.

There is also a daytime visible version of the Dinotte 400R which is probably putting out closer to 400 lumens. There's a disclaimer about not using it at night because it's so bright. I'd probably go with the DS-500 at that point but the Dinotte is another option. I do think that 500 lumens is too bright for pretty much anything but direct sunshine so it's overkill for my application as I tend to ride within 2 hours of sunset these days (and I don't like running external batteries.)

It's not fun for everybody and falls under the definition of "trolling". We would appreciate it if it stops please.

The 300r is rated at 150 lumens, just like the niterider150 and cygo150. We already had a poster state the cygo150 is brighter than the 300r. Another poster said the 400 is brighter, but it's rated at 240 lumens and costs $200 vs. $40 online price for cygo150. The cygo is clearly the superior value. You could buy 5 taillights for the same price and have a rack light, saddlebag light, seat post light and two helmet lights. Somehow, I think even two $40 cygo150's would provide far superior visibility compared to a single dinotte 400.

The cygo150 was $40 and you can find it online for around $40. The 300r sold for $190. Figure it out. Math.

Sure I'll stop when it stops around here against me, can you see to that please?

Please leave this thread. You are not obligated to post in it or look at it.

I'm pretty familiar with the new chip-on-board LED technology having used it for other purposes outside of cycling. It is considerably brighter and cheaper than individual LEDs. It's possible to buy a 10 watt LED COB for less than a dollar 10W 900LM White/Warm White High Power Super Bright LED Light Lamp Chip DC 9-12V - US$0.88. Most of the older brands of lights like Cygolite and Dinotte still use discrete LEDs. There is an advantage to them that you can focus the light on a plastic diffuser that spreads the light in more directions which is useful to get side view for the tail light. COB lights like the Blitzu 100 and 168 lumen are much less visible from the side with almost all of the light directed toward the rear. They are very compact and really light.

If you are going to consider either of the Blitzu lights you might want to instead buy it under the Raypal brand name which is the company who makes them. The Raypal Comet (RPL-266) 100 lumen light sells for $7 and the Raypal RPL-2266 168 lumen sells for $10.40 from international sellers. I bought both and they are identical to the Blitzu lights at half the cost. Blitzu buys their lights from China and doubles the price. I received a Blitzu Gator 320 front light as a present $29 Super Bright USB Rechargeable Bike Light Blitzu Gator 320 Powerful Bicycle | eBay . It is $14.31 without the Blitzu name on the side Bicycle Bike Super Bright USB Rechargeable White Light Powerful Headlight | eBay. None of the commercial lights match what is possible to make with DIY lights when it comes to being seen in all directions and being very noticeable. Mine work very well on a recumbent trike where they can be mounted on the frame behind the seat using flashlight holders. Not sure they would be adaptable to a DF bike though.

Odd, my estimation is that the Blitzu 168 puts more light to the side than almost any of my other lights. The Knog Blinder 4V is better, but none of the rest.

The white version puts out so much light to the side that when pointing forward on the handlebar of an upright bike, I had to put a piece of black tape on it to keep it from blinding me.