Excited to announce ''World's First Artificial Intelligence Cycle Computer''

The gadget attaches onto the cycle handle bar

Main features of the gadget

1) Real time coaching
Over the air live interaction providing insights on cadence, ideal heart rate zones, exhaustion, calories and improving segment timing

2)Track and analyze data from different sensors
Improve every cycling session by tracking and analysing your cycling data such as cadence, power and heart rate

3)Ant+, Wi-fi , Bluetooth enabled

4)Custom training plan creation
Dynamic training plan to achieve long term goals


I want to involve the cycling community to get insight and feedback on the following features

1)Custom AI weight loss program by cycling
2)Improve lap time and compete with other users
3)Custom AI marathon training

-Would you buy such a product for your cycle?
-What other features would you like to have?
-What price would you pay for it?

I'd love to hear your comments

My Garmin already does everything I need. Wouldn't pay a dime. The idea of a computer telling me to ride differently isn't appealing because who knows who put that advice in and whether it's worth listening to or not?

Hi Seattle Forrest,

Garmin and other companies just store and give you post analysis. My device also has the same features as garmin + Ai.

Your concern is if Ai works or not?

If my product is validated by top experts and reviewers would you consider buying it?

AI generally refers to specific technologies, such as neural nets, deep learning, etc. It's not just a marketing term you can plaster on anything you think is clever.

Not because of the AI, although I'd be open with the right other features because no company makes an acceptable bike computer.

The Garmin Edge 800 would be great if it didn't crash navigating on long rides. The 810 would be OK too if it didn't crash in unavoidable situations (you can always split 200 miles into 4 50 mile chunks and splice them together).

The Wahoo ELEMNT would be perfect (better than the Garmins, because the screen is easier to see) if it displayed street names, could pan and scroll the map (a touch screen would be better, although the buttons would work), switched to the map screen with turn alerts 0.1 miles before the turn, and didn't have the USB port facing the ground which allows the connector to fall out when you're riding.

Other GPS units with maps don't do turn-by-turn with custom cues like "water at ranger station" from .tcx files.

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-What other features would you like to have?

Records power/heart rate/cadence with one second intervals, exports via .fit or .tcx to Golden Cheetah, maps with street names and pan/scroll preferably via touch screen, turn-by-turn navigation from .tcx files, navigation with turn alerts 0.1 miles before the route changes streets, support for charging while riding with the power connector horizontal where it can't fall out, programmable odometer ( can be per bike ), touch screen lock.

Quote:

-What price would you pay for it?

$320. I spent that on an ELEMNT then returned it; spent that on a Garmin 810 then returned that; and found a $170 factory refurbished 800 had all the 810 features I needed but could be used without crashes and data loss.

Yes, thank you. This sounds like, at best, an expert system. If it doesn't have any feedback systems to cause a neural net or other similar connective fabric to respond to the results of its output, it's not intelligent, it's just a thing that automatically looks junk up in tables for you.

Thanks for the feedback Drew.
We will be implementing large touch screen with ipx7 waterproof grade. Point taken on the GPS. We are currently buiding our first prototype and will look to develop accurate gps unit.
Will keep this thread posted on my progress

Hi Itsjustme.
The Ai implemented is built on 15 years of data from athletes. It is patented and accredited by many professional athletes. Due to confidentiality I cannot reveal much of the working of the software.

Is this a thread or an advertisement?

Hi Rollfast
I want feedback from cycling community on my cycling computer product. Please read my thread starting post.
Thanks

I did, it's just that it reads like sliced bread and Eureka and you've devoted all five posts of your time here to saying I've got this gizmo. Slow down...we've never seen it even.

It doesn't matter if you're basing it on 1000 years of experience and data. AI has a meaning. There are very few actual AIs in the world. Possibly zero. What you're building sounds like an expert system. It's not an AI.

There is no other company implementing AI software in the cycling computer category. We will be the world's first Ai cycle computer. This is what inspired me to develop my startup.
We are going to implement machine deep learning based algorithm (Ai).
Unlike an expert system which uses the following approach: ''The data and rules used to make the decisions are carefully constructed based on the knowledge of human experts''.
Ai algorithm have the ability to learn from data that is input into it. There is no pre-designed data architecture other than a generalized one that can learn.
For the Ai to be accurate the most important criteria is a large data set. This will ensure all demographics are included in developing the Ai. This data set cannot be ''made'', it has to be ''real'' raw data.

So what is AI going to do for me? I can spend a lot on a power meter a gps and other gadgets but getting fitter and riding better equates to proper training and hours in the saddle. If you are not willing to put in the physical effort all the data in the world does not make you better. what kind of program can take in all factors family problems, work, illness, money woes, weather, equipment malfunctions and or design, what assumptions does a human make that affect the collection of data. Short answer no

If you want to improve as a cyclist, you can

(1) Go out and ride hard a lot, with rest days
(2) Ride with fast groups
(3) Follow one of many free training plans available online
(4) Get a highly respected training plan
(5) Hire a coach

I don't believe a data-mining system will be able to give me better advice than is already available.

How does your "AI" know what my goals are? It can't give me "real time coaching" and tell me what my "ideal heart rate zones are" if it doesn't know what I want to achieve. Ideal for what?

If I didn't already have a computer I might consider it for the non-"AI" features but those are of no interest to me.

OK, that's reasonable. Usually when you see AI (why do you spell it Ai? surely acronyms are fully capitalized) it's bull****. If it starts passing the Turing test I'm gonna have a moral crisis though

It won't include my demographic, because I don't even care about the computer I do have. But there are plenty of people who want this kind of stuff.

There is a funded Kickstarter project, Vi, that is promoted as an artificial intelligence personal trainer. It will support cycling, but seems to have originally aimed at running. For me, it would be interesting to see what advice it would give, as opposed to hiring a coach. What I really need is more dedication and motivation.

AI: Not sure this term is meaningful today,
if anything it represents a negative for me:
"marketing by condescension."

Features
1: over air is not a positive if the device is on line in real time. Access to networks and cellularis still spotty in rural areas where a lot of endurance ant training takes place. Plus if the access to the feature requires a lot of cyclist interaction, cyclist distraction presents a hazard.

2: Don't existing higher end machines already do this? ROX et cetera? What's new here?

3: physical features are good!

4: custom training plans are good. I'm not sure how unique it is, unless you perhaps you ha an expert system with expertise certified by, maybe Joe Friel.


New features?

1: focused on diet?? Calorie consumption in cycling is kind of constant. Now to track energy balance and help me see where eating has achieved my needs considering exercise and recovery accurately, that would be useful.

2: competition? Meh.

3: Marathon? Is this a cycling tool or a running tool? Can it capture cycling in randonneuring time frames?

Is all this expertise on the handlebars, or is it a hidden service charge ($100/hour not uncommon for consultants)?

1. It will no longer need internet. Based on the feedback we have changed this from needing internet to offline
2. Yes other products do the same.
3. Thank you sir!
4. Thank you for the feedback.
All the features are present in the AI software which will be present along with the device. We are planning to give all these features free for a limited time frame after the purchase of our device. After which a minimal subscription/month basis will be charged.

What's the difference between this new device and any Garmin on the market and a coaching plan?

Right now my Garmin already does everything your new device will offer except for real-time coaching, which I can easily program myself using one of several training/coaching websites if I so desire.

I'd be more interested in hearing how your device will interact with Strava, Training Peaks, Zwift, etc

So the machine deep learning algorithm enables some dynamics to the programming? I'm not sure you are showing us the advantage that gives, versus a ROX 11 or the top Garmin.

The AI algorithm can give real time feedback as your cycling which no other computer can do currently. For eg: Target real time ideal heart rate ones effectively to burn calories faster. This also takes into account your body profile type.

All devices currently just store and display your data after your cycling session.

I think everybody already knows that if you want to burn calories faster you should exercise at a higher intensity which is going to raise your heart rate. I wouldn't pay hundreds of dollars for a computer just because it can tell me that.

What is real time ideal heart rate? Isn't it determined by what I WANT? How is the optimum condition defined?

What is the benefit for the cyclist?

Clearly, I still don't see the benefit. Do you perhaps have some professionals whom are interested in having this capability, whatever it is?

Deep learning is primarily a sort of classification scheme, or high level abstractions from datasets if you prefer jargon. Training the classifieer to a good degree of accuracy, random forest or neural network or whatever, is more computationally intensive than a handlebar device can handle so I suspect that you're not really implementing real-time supervised learning. You're just running the heart rate et al and maybe some elements of the current workout through a classifier - right? - which is a cool idea but perhaps you shouldn't advertise it as AI with deep learning. If it's true that it's just a classifier.

That said, how much I'd want one depends on the details. What information does it specifically provide and how would that help me? Can I tell it to fire up some Joe Friel workout plan and have it tell me what's on the schedule for today? For any given moment in the ride? Can it evaluate my performance during the ride, in the context of the training plan, and modify the plan based on that?