Older Garmins won’t work with new HR straps?
10-09-22, 10:32 AM
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Older Garmins won’t work with new HR straps?
Is this true?
I had no trouble with my worn out Tickr but my new Tickr won’t connect.
I had no trouble with my worn out Tickr but my new Tickr won’t connect.
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10-09-22, 11:28 AM
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If your new strap is ANT+ you should be able to pair it to any Garmin.
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If the Garmin Edge is Ant+ only, then the strap has to be Ant+ capable. Bluetooth is not an option. So what exactly are you basing your statement on?
Most older Garmin Edge's only communicated via Ant or Ant+. Although possibly the original Ant protocol wasn't even in the picture when the Edge line came out and Edges started out Ant+. Maybe another knows.
Most older Garmin Edge's only communicated via Ant or Ant+. Although possibly the original Ant protocol wasn't even in the picture when the Edge line came out and Edges started out Ant+. Maybe another knows.
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My Garmin Forerunner 410 is Ant+ And it has worked fine with my old Wahoo Tickr strap but it won’t find my new strap.
Check out this Garmin page:
https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...ing&tab=topics
Check out this Garmin page:
Can I Pair A Newer Garmin Heart Rate Monitor Strap With My Older Garmin Device?
Garmin has determined that the following devices will NOT pair with newer HRM straps:- Edge 305
- Edge 705
- Forerunner 305
- Forerunner 405
- Forerunner 405CX
- Forerunner 410
https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?fa...ing&tab=topics
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Why would you have to look it up for me? It is printed on the box.
Maybe some BF member will come along who has had a similar issue.
I was just chatting with Garmin support and they said my sensor on the Forerunner 410 might be shot. They did not mention that the 410 is incompatible with newer straps even though their website says it is incompatible.
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It is ant+
Why would you have to look it up for me? It is printed on the box.
Maybe some BF member will come along who has had a similar issue.
I was just chatting with Garmin support and they said my sensor on the Forerunner 410 might be shot. They did not mention that the 410 is incompatible with newer straps even though their website says it is incompatible.
Why would you have to look it up for me? It is printed on the box.
Maybe some BF member will come along who has had a similar issue.
I was just chatting with Garmin support and they said my sensor on the Forerunner 410 might be shot. They did not mention that the 410 is incompatible with newer straps even though their website says it is incompatible.
Though maybe Wahoo has taken some shortcuts with it's implementation of Ant+ that might make their new Ant+ and BlueTooth stuff not work correctly with older things.
If it were me, I attempt to delete the old paring and then perform a soft reset. Then attempt to pair your new strap. If that failed, then I'd want to see if I could pair that strap to anything else I could get my hands on that is Ant+. I'd go with the idea that the strap is bad before my Garmin, no matter how old it is. Do you have other stuff that is paired with your 410? If other stuff pairs, then it ain't likely to be the Forerunner 410's fault.
You might look over at the Garmin Forums and see if any member there knows something. Might be more likely to connect up with someone that still has a Forerunner 410. Garmin in a grand stroke of logic did away with all the forums for discontinued stuff, but maybe you'll find something there.... https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/
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10-10-22, 08:06 AM
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You shouldn't assume that I only believe Garmin makes Edges. There is nothing in that statement that logically can be implied as such an assumption. I mentioned Edge just because that is the cycling computer from Garmin and it might cause the OP to specify what they had.
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Sure, "Ant+ is Ant+". But the data being transmitted isn't always the same. Ant+ is just a pipe. The incompatibility likely has nothing to do with ANT+.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
If the Garmin Edge is Ant+ only,
If the Garmin Edge is Ant+ only,
At best you might question my suggesting that an Edge could have anything other than Ant+. The added stuff about ant+ is for getting the OP to open up more. However it seems to just provoke you to troll me.
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It was my understanding that Ant+ had a strict and defined messaging for packets sent down it's pipe. And so it's not just a pipe. Every message sent by a sensor has to conform to the description in the Ant+ standard.
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??? Garmin went to the trouble of creating a webpage indicating the incompatibility and you still second-guess them. The support people don't necessarily know everything (and they might not know much at all).
Sure, "Ant+ is Ant+". But the data being transmitted isn't always the same. Ant+ is just a pipe. The incompatibility likely has nothing to do with ANT+.
Sure, "Ant+ is Ant+". But the data being transmitted isn't always the same. Ant+ is just a pipe. The incompatibility likely has nothing to do with ANT+.
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And Garmin has a webpage that indicates an incompatibility (which shows that it's not a simple as you think).
(Note that the Garmin webpage is only talking about Garmin HR units.)
Garmin probably won't commit to whether another company's product will work. It's very unlikely that a customer service rep would know anything about it.
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Power meters don't all send the same data. Some of the new power meters don't work with older head units (or don't provide all the data). There were also issues with combo cadence/speed sensors.
And Garmin has a webpage that indicates an incompatibility (which shows that it's not a simple as you think).
(Note that the Garmin webpage is only talking about Garmin HR units.)
Garmin probably won't commit to whether another company's product will work. It's very unlikely that a customer service rep would know anything about it.
And Garmin has a webpage that indicates an incompatibility (which shows that it's not a simple as you think).
(Note that the Garmin webpage is only talking about Garmin HR units.)
Garmin probably won't commit to whether another company's product will work. It's very unlikely that a customer service rep would know anything about it.
Your only purpose here was also just to troll me. I don't see where you provide any useful information to me or for the problem of the OP.
Ant+ at the time I looked into the developer software tools seemed to have some strict messaging requirements with defined messages for the different possible things that might be communicated. And operating under the Ant licenses didn't allow for one to make their own unique proprietary messaging. Things may have changed in the last ten years since I looked at it.
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The Garmin webpage (quoted earlier) is clear there is a pairing incompatibility between new Garmin HR devices and really old Garmin head units and watches.
It's like you don't even remember what you just wrote.I don't see where you provide any useful information to me or for the problem of the OP.
It's like you don't even remember what you just wrote.Ant+ at the time I looked into the developer software tools seemed to have some strict messaging requirements with defined messages for the different possible things that might be communicated. And operating under the Ant licenses didn't allow for one to make their own unique proprietary messaging. Things may have changed in the last ten years since I looked at it.
No one has claimed anybody "made their own unique proprietary messaging".
Why do you keep insisting that Garmin (actual ANT+ experts and actual device experts) is wrong?
You are just throwing a bunch of BS.
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Somebody is asking for information, a fellow cyclist needs help resolving a problem. Why are you two confusing things?
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You make a constantly moving target. I'm out of here, so say what you will! Some how I feel that we have never really been talking about the same thing.
Oh yeah.....
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https://www.thisisant.com/directory/tickr-x
It wouldn't surprise me that the list wasn't complete. If so, the list might not mean much.
It seems some of the older devices (like the Edge 705) are just not included.
People doing reviews aren't likely to take the time to check the compatibility of new devices with old devices.
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What you are going on about is utter nonsense. So, you going away would be a service.
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https://www.red dit.com/r/garminforerunner/
https://www.red dit.com/r/Garmin/
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Here are some forums with people who might be able to answer your question. I'm sorry I can't just give you links, for some bizarre reason this site isn't capable.
https://www.red dit.com/r/garminforerunner/
https://www.red dit.com/r/Garmin/
https://www.red dit.com/r/garminforerunner/
https://www.red dit.com/r/Garmin/
I'd also send an email to Wahoo (which I would rate as slightly more valuable than "pushing on" the Garmin CSRs).
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