This is the opposite of the original request but relevant because many here prefer the non-screwed-on type.

I've gone through many pump heads, some good, some not so good. My most recent purchase is great so far. Made in Germany, wouldn't you know.

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I was going to say your post was irrelevant except you actually proved my point, LOL, you've gone thru many pump heads
if you want to argue, go to the "Is this the end of Campagnolo" thread, they'll appreciate your input

Right, pump heads that don't screw on don't last forever. And hoses that screw on don't work for me in the first place. If they work for you, I'm happy for you, and I won't say you're wrong.

Like most Bike Forums threads, the discussion can expand to issues beyond the original request, but related to the basic topic (of pump connections to tube/tire valves). The original poster (OP) may or may not find that relevant to their needs, but the information exchanged may still be useful to others. Attempting to assert ownership or control of the thread may attract attention from the mods (of an possibly unwanted type).

As for a threaded connection: I have a floor pump where I took a hose intended for a frame pump with the threaded Schrader female fitting and spliced it to the hose. I typically have an aftermarket Schrader lever-type head threaded into the hose, but this past week I ran into a pair of 72-spoke 20" wheels where the only head that would fit between the spokes was a threaded Schrader hose. So in that case the old-style threaded connection was not merely useful, but the only way to fill the tube.

Earlier this year, I made two bulk orders of Planet Bike pump heads for fixing pumps at the co-op - dual-head (1012 Presta / Schrader side by side) and combo-head (1002 with one hole for both valve types). Every one of the dual-heads leaked on the Schrader side. The combo heads all worked OK in testing, but in use are occasionally blowing off Schrader stems or not fully depressing the valve core. The bigger problem is misguided customers dismantling the heads thinking that the gaskets need reversing for Presta use, mangling and destroying the head and often scattering the parts. On those pumps, we have Loctited the head threads and added labels explaining the head fits both valve types without any rearranging needed. It has slowed the destruction but not totally eliminated it. We may have to eventually go with all simple durable metal Schrader lever heads on the shop pumps and selling adapters, or keeping a Silca-style S/P adapter for use by staff only.

The good news is Planet Bike has been great about warranting the leaking heads. The vandalized heads are not covered, not surprisingly.

That IMO, is the best solution, I have one screwed on to one of my tires on all (5) my bikes. My seat of pants survey says that nearly 100% of trail/roadside bike self repair stand bike pumps don't work, and about 80% of the time it is a faulty presta/universal head, I use gas stations which have their own drawbacks if you are not careful.

Its not that hard to start another thread if you want to discuss other topics, and you'll likely get more response, I doubt many people go here if they aren't interested in a threaded pump head.

"Right, pump heads that don't screw on don't last forever. And hoses that screw on don't work for me in the first place. If they work for you, I'm happy for you, and I won't say you're wrong."
I could help you with your screw on head problem, but you haven't asked for help, and I've learned people that don't ask for help aren't going to listen, so ...

Sure, you can tell me what works for you. It will be interesting. Here is my experience:

I had a mini pump that can screw onto either type of valve. I use presta on my bikes. When I unscrewed the hose, the valve core came out with it. My solution was to carry a little wrench made for presta valves to make sure they're good and tight. Maybe a little blue Loctite would make things even safer.

But over the years, I've had good experiences with clamp-on pump heads so I eventually found one like that.

Wow. The struggle is real.

I thought Clik valve was a novelty solution for not very serious problems, but now I get it.

I wasn't jumping in as I thought the goal here was more to argue than converge on anything, but yes, Clik rules - all our bikes and pumps are converted to Clik, and we still finalize the gauges.

I have done that with the Loctite but when I did it I was very careful to make sure that it was only on the threads, make sure there is no thread locker on the valve seat that could result in a slow leak.

This was on a tube with no sealant.

I think you’re right, but I honestly did not appreciate the difficulties people have with valves and pumps, and I thought Clik was an answer to a question no one was asking. This thread opened my eyes.

I’m considering the switch to Click for the convenience, but I’m kinda invested in color coordinated stems and caps!

congratulations, you've doubled the number of people who get it

both presta and schrader are over 125 years old, it would be great if somebody came up with a valve that combined the best of both and didn't cost as much as a new tire, but then there is the problem of all the air delivery systems matching to it, service stations will not be standing in line to adopt it

but it is difficult to beat the combination of a presta valve (comes with the tube) with a schrader adapter (99 cents), it works with existing air delivery and costs almost nothing, making it difficult for something to replace it

I haven’t filled up at a gas station or needed an adapter since I was a kid, so I don’t get that perspective. Each of my bikes (except 1) has an inflation unit on board, and I have multiple floor pumps at home, too.

I’m 100% certain the bike industry is not deciding what to do based on what’s available at gas stations, either. Every single pump I have, and it is several, is natively presta/shraeder convertible. I think that’s three floor pumps, 6 mini pumps, one e-mini, and the garage compressor…all do presta, shraeder, and Clik. Two bikes carry CO2, and I’m unsure if the Silca and PDW inflators for those are convertible to shraeder, but all presta works with Clik.

So while I don’t have any particular problems with either valves or pumps, this thread has alerted me the fact that some really struggle with this stuff, so if Clik makes iit easier for everyone, I have no problem with that and would be happy to use them myself. Enough Click cores for 8 bikes is less than the cost of one, single tire for my main roadie, so converting wouldn’t be onerous, I just don’t like the idea of needing a pump head converter to get the full experience (i.e. the affirmative “click” engagement). When Park Tool offers a replacement head for their INF-2 that’s fully natively compatible with Clik, I’ll likely move over. I may before then, just for kicks. We’ll see.

What people struggle with is finding a pump that actually works, or if it does work, not wearing out after a few uses.

Why should this be so?

First, the presta and schrader valves are different sizes. The schrader requires a 2mm larger hole making it unsuitable for the narrow rims most bikers use. Many pumps are designed to serve both from one head. These pumps are the most likely to fail, if they ever do work. That’s because most pumps are designed to be quick on and off, meaning there will be a compressable “gasket” of some sort to prevent air leakage while inflating. Whatever the “gasket” is will wear, and over time fail.

Even single use, that is a head for just one of the valve types, fail because the threaded valve is effectively a saw blade against whatever “gasket” design is used.



That’s why I was looking for a threaded head, it will last a lifetime.



Second, putting a 99 cent adapter on my presta valves makes them usable with any pump that serves schrader valves. Which is a lot including the bike shop I often pass that wisely has an air chuck intended for schrader valves like gas stations on their self serve pump.



According to the web site it will cost $12 t outfit each bike with Clik, and you still need an adapter (surprise! a threaded schrader on one end) to use them and it doesn’t solve the original problem …. you still need a pump. A pump that will last and be there working when you need it. Which is what this thread is about.



Clik isn’t going to do you any good if the pump doesn’t work.

Lezyne floor pump 25 years old and going strong, pocket drive hv for my touring rig and road drive for my road bike maybe 7-10 years old respectively. All thread-on. I too place a dot of blue thread locker on the core threads of certain tube brands. And most importantly to me, I have presta valve caps that include a core tightener.

16 Clik valves, enough for 8 bikes, direct from ClikValve.com, is $62, so $7.75/bike: https://clikvalve.com/products/clik-valve-pro-set-16

No adapter is needed to inflate Clik-equipped tires; most presta compatible pump heads are backwards-compatible with Clik valves. But even in the worst case scenario, the $22 2-in-1 Clik valve pump head will convert any pump: https://clikvalve.com/products/clik-...apter-aluminum

I understand what you're saying about pump gasket wear, but think that it is, in my experience, a non-issue. I've found gasket fitted pumps last effectively a lifetime, i.e decades of inflation need. The reason I have two floor pumps (and gave a third, fully functioning unit away to my brother) is because they last, without needing rebuilt, for as long as I care to use them. I switch pumps for ease-of-use issues related to pump head design rather than gasket failure.

I get it though: some people have a harder time working with valves and pumps than I do, whether that's do to bad purchase decisions or bad inflation practice. And that's fine, IMO, as not everyone is looking for the same thing or willing to pay the cost for obtaining a quality, durable inflation unit.

It appears to be the case, and it's my sincere hope, that Clik valves will be a solution for all of those who, except for those who have to inflate at gas stations, have difficulty with conventional valves and pumps.

Putting my money where my mouth is, I just went ahead and ordered the 16 Clik valve kit and 2-in-1 right angle pump head adapter for $84, which is less than the cost of one single Pirelli P Zero Race RS 30mm tubeless from BikeTiresDirect.com, so that's not too bad, IMO. I'm not entirely clear whether the Clik valve 2-in-1 pump head is backwards compatible with Shrader valves, but I have an entirely separate inflator head which replaces my Park INF2 for inflating car and bike trailer shrader valve equipped tires, so that's a non-issue for me anyway.

And, with the Clik valve cores being just Presta core replacements, I can move those to any bike, tubed or tubeless, as needed in the future, which means zero additional cost for maintaining up to 8 different bicycles on Clik valves in the future.

Zara Sp00k have you seen the new BBB CoreCaps? They replace Presta cores to give Shrader compatibility, so gas station friendly and still threaded for your preferred pump head style.

https://www.bikeradar.com/news/bbb-corecap

https://bbbcycling.com/en_en/corecap

Wow, I'd be willing to try that.

I stopped buying other brands of pumps after my first Lezyne hand pump. The thread-on connectors are part of it; as you say, they work reliably. The smooth, reliable performance of the machined aluminum is another factor. Most of their pumps work equally well with Presta and Schrader valves.

The one supposed downside of thread-on pumps is that Presta valve cores can inadvertently come unscrewed. I've had this happen once, and it was certainly a problem. However, the cause was that the manufacturer of the tube hadn't screwed the valve core in tightly. Since then, I've checked this before packing spare tubes, and now I carry a tiny little plastic valve core wrench. Many Lezyne hand pumps have a notched ring that is intended to serve as a valve core wrench.

I'm converting to Clik now, and it's partly because Lezyne has started producing Clik-specific pumps, as well as items to retrofit existing pumps. Clik is better than thread-on, because it makes a reliable connection without it, and so it's quicker.

Gas station air compressors are always broken, even the ones that charge money. If that's your plan, then good luck.

I sure hope they aren't charging much. I've made
exactly the same thing for a couple dollars previously just by using a regular presta to schrader adapter:
https://a.co/d/1e2VWPy

Then sticking a sealed schrader valve cap on:
https://a.co/d/gchxmpL

Hey, I've never seen flow-through valve caps before! I may get some of those for my wife's truck!

the vast majority of bikers don't have eight bikes, I have 6, but one of them is schrader so buying enough for 8 isn't saving me any money, nor most people

and thus we are back to the pump problem

about twice as expensive as Clik

It's nice to see alternative solutions, but they all come back to the pump, I'm sticking with the 99 cent Presta to Schrader for now

Saying a pump has lasted XX years doesn't mean anything, how many times did you use it?

I'm not trying to defend a silly rebranding of a pair of standard two dollar parts, but just for the sake of accuracy, seems worth pointing out that Corecap just uses the standard Schrader pump.

My point was that converting to Clik doesn't "cost as much as a tire," but yes, buying the 16pk Clik and only using 12 actually does save you money over the $12/per bike (x 6) cost you cited earlier.