StalkerZERO

To be clear, this bug your talking about is with the 305 correct? I just bought the 705 and after I update the firmware I'm assuming most if not all of any bugs or problems it had would be addressed.
Would that also be correct?

luv2climb

No, that bug relates to the 705. To be more specific it is more of an anoyance than a bug. The "bug" consists of a pop-up screen that you must click through but everything else works fine during the sync process.

As for being bug free, that depends on who you ask!

I dont have many problems with mine. I use it with a Power Tap and regulary use courses. Many people are having problems with corrupt history files after the most recent firmware update to version 2.7 (legit bug). Many people don't like the way the unit autoroutes.

If you spend some time browsing the Motion Based page for the 605/705 you will get a good does of what the current actual and percieved issues are.

StalkerZERO

As long as I can download a route from the internet and/or create one and download it to my 705 and it works.....then I don't care about other bugs.

Then again, the garmin edge series are the only gps devices with full maps and turn by turn that is dedicated as a cycling computer correct? I couldn't find any others when I did research online. I was going to go with tomtom or garmin car devices....the small ones with voice turn by turn, until they shop guy told me they only have about 3 hours battery life when not plugged into a car.
So I went with the 705.

The 705 is supposed to have close to 15 hours in battery time....at least thats the ideal scenario.

luv2climb

You should have no troubles downloading a route to your Edge.

The Edge is currently the only GPS based bike computer out there that I know of at the moment.

And yes 15 hours is not a stretch. I can get that with my unit set to 1 second recording, using a Power Tap, Speed/Cadence sensor, HR and running a course. If it is not enough there are external battery packs you can add to it and extend it.

TheFife

I just got a 705 and took it out on its maiden voyage this morning. I planned my route with Mapmyride and got it loaded into the Garmin. Mapmyride said the route was 31 miles. The route was a loop and I followed it exactly. On my way out, the 705 showed that I went 15.2 miles. The way back should have been the exact same distance, but for some reason the total ride was only 28.9 miles. That means that the way back was 13.7 miles. Now I would expect that there would be a little bit of difference between the distance of each half of a there and back route, but 10% is ridiculous. Does any body have any ideas what is going on here? Is the device really that inaccurate?

I also noted that the elevation on the ride back was higher by around 20 feet the entire way, and the speed fluctuated quite a bit. I would be going at a steady pace and the speed would jump from 15 to 19 and back in less than 3 seconds.



I apologize if these issues have been addressed in this thread. It is so big I haven't had a chance to read it all.


Thanks,
Brad

luv2climb

The Edge is generally very accurate but there are a few things that can impact it.

In your post you said you did a loop but also said you went out and back. These tend to contradict each other.

Do you use a GSC10 (aka Speed/Cadence sensor) mounted? If yes do you have it turned on properly in the Edge settings menu for accessories AND the bike? Do you have the proper circumference set? Do you have the magner properly positioned?

If you don't have the GSC10 was your ride in an area where there may not be very good satelite reception (heavy trees, canyons, tall buldings, etc)?

TheFife

Sorry for the confusion, I went out and back. The exact same route both ways.

I have the speed/cadence sensor mounted. The speed shows up when I spin the back wheel (while lifted off the ground), so I assume the speed is coming from the sensor. I am not sure what you are asking about with "do you have it turned on properly in the Edge settings menu for accessories AND the bike?" What specifically am I looking for here? As for the wheel circumference, it is set to auto (I am running 700c wheels on a road bike). Either way, since speed/distance information changed on the way back, I am assuming that the wheel size is not the issue. The magnet seems correct, with the silver side facing out and the black side facing in.


My ride was through farmland, so the reception should have been very good (though it was cloudy).


The only thing I have figured out so far is that my "record data points" was set to smart recording. I have changed this to seconds. However, I don't think that would affect the distance recorded.


Thanks,
Brad

brian416

During today's ride my 705 stopped displaying the grade% and adding to Ascent. Elevation and the graph showing the hills I had already done were working fine as well as everything else on the garmin. It worked most of the ride and then just stopped, any ideas on what might have happened or how to fix it? I'm running 2.7, did a hard reset after installing also. AND the ride is stuck in the laps folder too, I plug it in, it says saving history but its still stuck in the laps folder as a .dat file.

StalkerZERO

No ride today. Its rainy (weatherman said it was supposed to be sunny in ny) now I'm not in the mood. So instead I'm going to concentrate on getting the 705 installed.
Speaking of speed/cadence sensors, I noticed that the 705 has a what do they call it....the GSC 10 combo cadence and speed sensor.
I was wondering.....I already have a blackburn neuro 5.0 which I'm about to swap out here. Can I leave the speed and cadence sensors I already have on the bike and have them work with the 705? That would be awesome if they could work together. It would save me the hassle of swapping them out for the GSC 10 sensor.
I know its a longshot but can I get the other sensors to work with the 705?

StalkerZERO

As I turned on the 705 near my bike (with the blackburn neuro cpu removed) it said that it has recognized a cadence sensor.
I don't currently have the bike installed on my stationary trainer so I lifted the back end of the bike and manually turned the crank with my hand. The 705 started to display the speed and cadence readings as if it was coming from the GSC 10 (note: I adjusted the display so it would show the speed and cadence). The speed reading seems to be accurate and I think the cadence is good as well.
Unless you guys say otherwise I think using the cadence and speed sensors from my blackburn neuro with the 705 seems to work fine.

Shimagnolo

Garmin 705 uses "ANT+Sport" wireless.

According to this page, the Neuro uses it as well, so that is why it is compatible:

https://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2007...s/interbike078

brian416

got mad at my 705 and just decided to do a hard reset, lost the ride but at least testing it, its now correctly creating the history file and grade seems to be working. I'm really starting to this Garmin has designed the 705 to screw up when doing rides over 100 miles.

StalkerZERO

Excellent!

Too bad it doesn't seem compatible with my polar wind heart rate monitor strap. The polar strap's sensor is totally woven into the strap itself unlike others where the strap is connected to a rubber sensor casing. The polar is more comfortable imo.

StalkerZERO

More bugs to work out in another firmware update? I would email the details of whats been happening to garmin so they can work on a update.

TheFife

Since I am using the Cadence/speed sensor, should I just assume that my unit is defective? Does it need to be sent into Garmin? Am I really the only one having these problems?

Thanks,
Brad

StalkerZERO

luv2climb seems to be the garmin edge expert here. Hopefully he will respond.

luv2climb

Well lets make sure your Edge is set to read and store the GSC10 data. Just becuase it is displaying it does not mean that it is turned on correctly. Check the following:

1. Goto Menu/Settings/Ant+Sport/Accessories. Check that "Cadence Sensor Present" is set to yes.
2. Go to Menu/Settings/Profile & Zones/Bike Profile. Check that which ever bike profile you are using the Edge on has the box checked next to "Cadence". While here set your "Wheel Size" to custom and use 2,075mm for 700c wheels.
3. Make sure that your wheel magnet is sufficiently close to the sensor bar and passing it along the marked line.
4. Prior to your next ride check that you are using the correct bike profile by pressing and holding "mode" prior to hitting the "start/stop" button. Be sure to select the correct profile in the pop-up that appears.

Now you should be good for your next test ride. Let us know how it goes.

luv2climb

Garmin does have a new HRM strap coming out that appears to be very similar to the Polar:

https://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=3&minor=2

ETA shows 7/15/09.

brian416

from a post on motionbased forums, there should be an update out within a couple of weeks, hopefully it fixes all the new problems that I've had after switching to 2.7

StalkerZERO

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!! New problem....probably you know the answer to this luv2climb.

Why must I learn about these things AFTER I MAKE THE EXPENSIVE PURCHASE!! I'm referring to the difference between the dvd version and the sd card version of city navigator. I thought purchasing the package deal including the 705, sensors/heart strap and city navigator on an sd card would be the way to go. Little did I know that you would not be able to view the sd card data on your pc. And that you would need the dvd version which contains the files plus mapsource which lets you view the file plus edit routes for uploading to your 705.

Please tell me there is a workaround for this? What the hell is the purpose for the sd card version then?
I'm so annoyed right now!

luv2climb

You are not SOL. There are websites that will allow you to plan both Routes (Mapsource) and Courses (Mapsource will not do). Two of the more popular ones are BikeRouteToaster.com and MapMyRide.com.

Garmin Training Center will also allow you to create a course based on a previous ride that you have done. This add the benfit of letting you use the virtual partner feature to race against yourself.

StalkerZERO

Ok. But even so, did I limit myself by getting the sd card version? I mean, how do the mapmyride and other sites compare to mapsource in terms of route making abilities?

luv2climb

Yes becuase you now have to rely on an internet connection to plan your rides. What, somewhere in the world there is no internet!!!

No, becuause these websites are just as good as Mapsource in many regards.

StalkerZERO

So I'm only screwed if my internet goes out is that what your saying? Anyways, I just loaded and ran the basic mapsource app on my pc and I'm not impressed with it. I suppose it is limited because its not working with a city navigator street level maps that would have come with the dvd but even still I'm not impressed.

Say, I don't suppose I can use google earth to plan routes for my edge 705 could I? That would be awesome. Because I'm here now on mapmyride and I'm noticing that the bike routes that should be near the highways where I'm at aren't showing up on the mapmyride map view.
Google earth on the other hand would show exactly where my usual paths are including the little bike paths near the highway.

Oh, and thanks for all the help luv2climb. Your a credit to the biking community.

luv2climb

I have seen some discussion about using Google but that was a while ago. From what I recall Google used to support either courses or routes but not longer do. You may have to explore it some to see what you can find. I also recall the person talking about having to subsribe (pay a fee) to get some of these features.

Good Luck!