POV camera for biking?
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I copied the program data that was on the two GB car that came with the camera and transfered it to a 4GB card I had laying around. It worked great but I'll make sure to properly format the next cards. I couldn't make up my mind how much I wanted to spend so I ordered a 16GB card but decided that wasn't enough so I ordered another one 30 minutes later. LOL.
I'm a still photographer but am just now playing with video.
I'm a still photographer but am just now playing with video.
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This was much help and I thank you very much. I used the goggles adapter that came with the camera but it was a tad shaky. I think the helmet mount will help. I ordered the handlebar mount but am skeptical about its stability as well. I'm trying really hard to invent something that will nail my camera flat the the bike frame to further minimize vibration. I can't find anything but the helmet mount for my motorcycle but it has a high windscreen and the helmet is heavy. It should do fine. I plan to do some serious documentation of some serious bike routes in which I use several camera types. I hope this works out well.
there are contour mounts that are functionally equivalent to the HERO mounts i'm using (post #10).
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These are SanDisk micro SD Cards and they came formatted. I'm showing 15GB each and I've tested both so we are good to go. I also bought a second battery and probably 2/3 of all the Contour mounts. I'm hoping to use both a helmet cam and a frame mounted camera.
I set myself up for HD video several months ago but I've been shooting still for so many years I still haven't been real excited about video results but I'm hoping the action camera works better for my needs this time. I now have 3 video cameras.
I set myself up for HD video several months ago but I've been shooting still for so many years I still haven't been real excited about video results but I'm hoping the action camera works better for my needs this time. I now have 3 video cameras.
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Oh, I have a 6 core processor and 12 GB memory on my PC with 2 TB backup drives. I have a Windows 7 64 bit setup and am editing with the new 64 bit Cyberlink Power Director 9 and several other editors. Now all I have to do is make a video. LOL.
In October I will use much of my vacation to film several special trails and try my hand at bicycle video. We'll see how it goes.
In October I will use much of my vacation to film several special trails and try my hand at bicycle video. We'll see how it goes.
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Those who roll with Camera(s), post your Setups/Mounts! - https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Setups-Mounts!
there are contour mounts that are functionally equivalent to the HERO mounts i'm using (post #10).
there are contour mounts that are functionally equivalent to the HERO mounts i'm using (post #10).
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Alright. There is a terrible rattle in the audio in this camera. Can anybody here tell me what is happening here? The camera mount is clamped directly over the bar tape. I can't see anything rattling against something else.
This is just a quick sample video for test reasons. Anything you could add would be appreciated.
Also, I mounted this camera right under my hand in the upper area of the drops in hopes the close proximity to my hands would help reduce vibration. Should I have mounted the Contour mount over the bar tape? Pulled the bar tape and mounted over provided rubber? or directly to bar metal? It doesn't look half bad the way it is.
This is just a quick sample video for test reasons. Anything you could add would be appreciated.
Also, I mounted this camera right under my hand in the upper area of the drops in hopes the close proximity to my hands would help reduce vibration. Should I have mounted the Contour mount over the bar tape? Pulled the bar tape and mounted over provided rubber? or directly to bar metal? It doesn't look half bad the way it is.
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What camera settings do you folks use with the ContourHD?
I can guess what effect frame rate and resolution will have.
What bit rate do you use? The default setting is low quality; is that good enough for road bike use?
I can guess what effect frame rate and resolution will have.
What bit rate do you use? The default setting is low quality; is that good enough for road bike use?
#109
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When I make a video I compress the bit rate to 3000 kbps, which is DVD quality. I keep the audio bit and sampling rate the same to preserve quality and avoid aliasing. Here's an example from last week's sufferfest climbing ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NanMq4-xw
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I use the highest setting which record 1920 x 1080 and I set it to Medium bit rate. I also set my Contour HD to Low light Dusk exposure. I find that setting pretty useful for low light and the higher quality recording still can capture cars that buzz by me in a fast speed although I still have to use the Event/Pan crop in my editing software to zoom in on the plate.
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Since I commute in an urban setting and I want to get the most detail in my videos for getting license numbers, and motorist/vehicle descriptions, I set my Contour switch on high, 1920 X 1080P, 30fps, maximum quality setting. Even in that particular setting and with a 16GB class 6 memory card at 8min per GB battery life, I still get over 2 hours worth of video.
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I use the highest setting which record 1920 x 1080 and I set it to Medium bit rate. I also set my Contour HD to Low light Dusk exposure. I find that setting pretty useful for low light and the higher quality recording still can capture cars that buzz by me in a fast speed although I still have to use the Event/Pan crop in my editing software to zoom in on the plate.
for catching plates, i've found that reducing the resolution down to 1280x720 is worth it, to get the frame-rate up to 60fps. if amazon ever gets my order out, i'll soon have a 2nd contour-1080 to do side-by-side testing... two contour-1080s, a HERO and a HERO-960... a RLJ hot-spot should be a good place to test them all at various settings
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what is that "Low light Dusk exposure"? i use a text editor on linux/BSD to adjust the settings, so i don't have anything that fancy... just contrast, sharp, EV, etc. it seems like i either have to settle for useless results at night, or nearly useless results at night and washed-out, overexposed results during the day.
for catching plates, i've found that reducing the resolution down to 1280x720 is worth it, to get the frame-rate up to 60fps. if amazon ever gets my order out, i'll soon have a 2nd contour-1080 to do side-by-side testing... two contour-1080s, a HERO and a HERO-960... a RLJ hot-spot should be a good place to test them all at various settings
for catching plates, i've found that reducing the resolution down to 1280x720 is worth it, to get the frame-rate up to 60fps. if amazon ever gets my order out, i'll soon have a 2nd contour-1080 to do side-by-side testing... two contour-1080s, a HERO and a HERO-960... a RLJ hot-spot should be a good place to test them all at various settings

I just wish that Contour had a switch that can change the exposure mode just like they have with that "Hi/Lo" switch for the resolution setting. Sometime I don't have a computer handy at work to hookup and reset the exposure mode for my afternoon daytime ride. I did thought about getting the option lens kit which have a threaded ring for filter and add a Neutral Density filter to it. This way I can leave the setting on the Dusk mode and use the filter in the daytime to reduce the amount of light exposure.
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@colleen - does the "official" contour software have presets for dusk and night? if you, or anyone else, can post the settings (contrast, sharp, EV, etc) so i can duplicate it by hand... thanks...
the other way to switch the contour between day/night settings is to carry two micro-SD cards: one with daytime settings, one with nighttime settings. good luck labeling them, changing them, and not losing them
. a neutral density filter may be the way to go, but so far i've been unable to get anything decent from that camera at night.
the other way to switch the contour between day/night settings is to carry two micro-SD cards: one with daytime settings, one with nighttime settings. good luck labeling them, changing them, and not losing them
. a neutral density filter may be the way to go, but so far i've been unable to get anything decent from that camera at night.
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@colleen - does the "official" contour software have presets for dusk and night? if you, or anyone else, can post the settings (contrast, sharp, EV, etc) so i can duplicate it by hand... thanks...
the other way to switch the contour between day/night settings is to carry two micro-SD cards: one with daytime settings, one with nighttime settings. good luck labeling them, changing them, and not losing them
. a neutral density filter may be the way to go, but so far i've been unable to get anything decent from that camera at night.
the other way to switch the contour between day/night settings is to carry two micro-SD cards: one with daytime settings, one with nighttime settings. good luck labeling them, changing them, and not losing them
. a neutral density filter may be the way to go, but so far i've been unable to get anything decent from that camera at night.Dusk:

Outdoor:

I think the contour uses a CMOS sensor and it take quite a bit of Lumens to make good night exposure since from what I heard that CMOS censor does not response to well with LED lights. The other day I was playing with my lights and Contour HD where I flooded the area with a lot of light at night to see how much area the Contour can response and it does OK. As it shows, it takes at least 1500 OTF of lighting from LED light source to get OK exposure in the Dusk mode. I normally ride with at least 2000 OTTF lumens so most of my video clip are OK. Check it out:
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In my urban environment, I've found that 1500 lumen is more than adequate, and that is probably too much if the proper lens is not used. The shorter run time, having to carry/charge that many batteries( including spares) to operate a much larger system, I would consider to be a major PITA.
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Alright. There is a terrible rattle in the audio in this camera. Can anybody here tell me what is happening here? The camera mount is clamped directly over the bar tape. I can't see anything rattling against something else.
This is just a quick sample video for test reasons. Anything you could add would be appreciated.
Also, I mounted this camera right under my hand in the upper area of the drops in hopes the close proximity to my hands would help reduce vibration. Should I have mounted the Contour mount over the bar tape? Pulled the bar tape and mounted over provided rubber? or directly to bar metal? It doesn't look half bad the way it is.
This is just a quick sample video for test reasons. Anything you could add would be appreciated.
Also, I mounted this camera right under my hand in the upper area of the drops in hopes the close proximity to my hands would help reduce vibration. Should I have mounted the Contour mount over the bar tape? Pulled the bar tape and mounted over provided rubber? or directly to bar metal? It doesn't look half bad the way it is.
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@colleen - thanks for the screen-shots.
in your other video, is that a teletype or dot-matrix printer in the background?
5500 OTF lumens
?!?!? that's more light than a truck! do you ride in caves? on my sub/urban rides, 20% of that would be more than i'd need.
as for CMOS not responding to LED light, i haven't heard that before. it may depend a lot on the color temperature of the light... so the (cheaper) bluish-white LEDs may not show up as well as more white LEDs.
in your other video, is that a teletype or dot-matrix printer in the background?

5500 OTF lumens
?!?!? that's more light than a truck! do you ride in caves? on my sub/urban rides, 20% of that would be more than i'd need.as for CMOS not responding to LED light, i haven't heard that before. it may depend a lot on the color temperature of the light... so the (cheaper) bluish-white LEDs may not show up as well as more white LEDs.
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@colleen - thanks for the screen-shots.
in your other video, is that a teletype or dot-matrix printer in the background?
5500 OTF lumens
?!?!? that's more light than a truck! do you ride in caves? on my sub/urban rides, 20% of that would be more than i'd need.
as for CMOS not responding to LED light, i haven't heard that before. it may depend a lot on the color temperature of the light... so the (cheaper) bluish-white LEDs may not show up as well as more white LEDs.
in your other video, is that a teletype or dot-matrix printer in the background?

5500 OTF lumens
?!?!? that's more light than a truck! do you ride in caves? on my sub/urban rides, 20% of that would be more than i'd need.as for CMOS not responding to LED light, i haven't heard that before. it may depend a lot on the color temperature of the light... so the (cheaper) bluish-white LEDs may not show up as well as more white LEDs.

I did that for fun to see what it is like having that much lights and took a little detour when I turned on all the lights and shot that video. I normally run only 1000 OTF to 2000 OTF. I am running in the higher side (2000 OTF) because of the limitation of video capability for night shot. I do believe that CCD sensor are more better for night shot while CMOS sensor are generally use for their low power consumption. It's too bad that the Contour Lens are coated to block IR, otherwise it would be a nice option to use a IR light to enhance nightshot video like those used in security cammera.
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I returned this camera today at REI. I think the internal mic was not properly anchored to the camera chassis. REI did not have a replacement for me so I was reimbursed. REI did not have a replacement for me so I was reimbursed. An hour later I ordered another one on Amazon for $25 less. It should be here for the 3 day weekend. Now I just hope that weekend is somewhere under 100 degrees.
Here's a comparison of audio from different mounts.
Casio EX-S12 digital camera in handlebar mount.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUrtap22pAY
ContourHD 1080p on vented helmet mount.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NanMq4-xw
Note to anybody considering buying a Contour: better act quickly. See my post on this subject here.
#121
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I bought a second camera and am using both. I had two rattles on the old one. I still have the customary rattle but the camera was useless with the other rattle. Much better now though I'm going to have to edit the audio on the handlebar mount. I'm having fit finding the proper angle for the helmet mount but its just matter of experimenting.
You should see my mini bungy and scrunchy modification for damping handle bar vibration. Looks terrible but works. I hope I'm ready. This week we have the Ironman Championship 70.3 based right up the street in one direction and InterBike in in the other direction and I live at the intersecting trail. Still, I'm thinking of putting both cameras on my motorcycle and following the IronMan route that way. Images are really stable from my motorcycle. I got GREAT video last weekend on the Three Sisters section of the River Mountain trail and met some cool people practicing for the Iron Man. I also got great video from my handlebars as I was doing about 30 and a guy came around me as if I was sitting still. I know still cameras pretty well. I'm really hoping I'll have as much luck with these little video cameras. Fun Fun Fun!!!!
You should see my mini bungy and scrunchy modification for damping handle bar vibration. Looks terrible but works. I hope I'm ready. This week we have the Ironman Championship 70.3 based right up the street in one direction and InterBike in in the other direction and I live at the intersecting trail. Still, I'm thinking of putting both cameras on my motorcycle and following the IronMan route that way. Images are really stable from my motorcycle. I got GREAT video last weekend on the Three Sisters section of the River Mountain trail and met some cool people practicing for the Iron Man. I also got great video from my handlebars as I was doing about 30 and a guy came around me as if I was sitting still. I know still cameras pretty well. I'm really hoping I'll have as much luck with these little video cameras. Fun Fun Fun!!!!
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I bought a second camera and am using both. I had two rattles on the old one. I still have the customary rattle but the camera was useless with the other rattle. Much better now though I'm going to have to edit the audio on the handlebar mount. I'm having fit finding the proper angle for the helmet mount but its just matter of experimenting.
You should see my mini bungy and scrunchy modification for damping handle bar vibration. Looks terrible but works. I hope I'm ready. This week we have the Ironman Championship 70.3 based right up the street in one direction and InterBike in in the other direction and I live at the intersecting trail. Still, I'm thinking of putting both cameras on my motorcycle and following the IronMan route that way. Images are really stable from my motorcycle. I got GREAT video last weekend on the Three Sisters section of the River Mountain trail and met some cool people practicing for the Iron Man. I also got great video from my handlebars as I was doing about 30 and a guy came around me as if I was sitting still. I know still cameras pretty well. I'm really hoping I'll have as much luck with these little video cameras. Fun Fun Fun!!!!
You should see my mini bungy and scrunchy modification for damping handle bar vibration. Looks terrible but works. I hope I'm ready. This week we have the Ironman Championship 70.3 based right up the street in one direction and InterBike in in the other direction and I live at the intersecting trail. Still, I'm thinking of putting both cameras on my motorcycle and following the IronMan route that way. Images are really stable from my motorcycle. I got GREAT video last weekend on the Three Sisters section of the River Mountain trail and met some cool people practicing for the Iron Man. I also got great video from my handlebars as I was doing about 30 and a guy came around me as if I was sitting still. I know still cameras pretty well. I'm really hoping I'll have as much luck with these little video cameras. Fun Fun Fun!!!!
I think I'll stick to the helmet mount from now on.
I use a mini bungee cord whenever I use any camera on a handlebar mount, as it keeps the camera from rotating in the mount if I pass the bungee cord through the camera's wrist strap and tighten it down.
Here's the test video with the seatpost mount. I left the original audio in but turned the volume down enough so that it isn't as annoying. Music volume is all the way up.
EDIT: Deleted music video from YouTube to prevent any copyright strikes. 3 strikes and you're out according to YouTube. I have a clean record and would like to keep it that way.
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#123
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Yep. Sounds like the chain bouncing on the sprockets. The trike seems to stabilize the camera quite well. Now ya gotta try it without shooting into the sun. LOL
This weekend I think I'm going to use a flat mount on the side of my motorcycle helmet and a ram mount on the rear rack. I get to ride right with the IronMan riders and I want to see faces as I slowly pass. It's all an experiment.
Do you know what kind of clock time youtube let's you have? or what kind of band width? Is there a limit?
This weekend I think I'm going to use a flat mount on the side of my motorcycle helmet and a ram mount on the rear rack. I get to ride right with the IronMan riders and I want to see faces as I slowly pass. It's all an experiment.
Do you know what kind of clock time youtube let's you have? or what kind of band width? Is there a limit?
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I have noticed this too. Have you figured out if the noise is from the camera shaking on the handlebars or if the noise is just stuff on your bike rattling around (cables, etc.)?
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It works, but poorly.
Here is an example.
If it helps provide context, the light on the bike here is a 18650 flashlight in medium mode ... probably about 200 lumens.
Here is an example.
If it helps provide context, the light on the bike here is a 18650 flashlight in medium mode ... probably about 200 lumens.





