Taillight for daylight?
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I had a Magic Shine headlight and it was junk, it lasted 4 months, I tried to get it replaced under warranty and sent it back and they returned the item and I had a UPS code to prove it was delivered, they never bothered to return my dozens of e-mails, nor return any of my dozens of calls. So after about 3 months of frustration I gave up.
I noticed the original poster wanted a cheaper tail light, Dinotte is not cheap at over $150. However the BlackBurn Mars 4 is the brightest AAA or AA battery light on the market tied with Radbot 1000 for brightness, Both the Mars 4 and the Radbot 1000 use the same 1 watt LED bulb but the Mars 4 adds two 1/2 watt leds (one on each side) for side illumination making it far brighter from the side then the Radbot which is nearly impossible to see from the side. But be forewarned, the Mars 4 batteries do not last anywhere near as long as the Blackburn claims, they use 2 aaa bats and they will last about 7 to 8 hours on steady and about 15 to 18 on flashing. Thus you should invest in rechargeable AAA's and carry a spare set in your saddle bag. The Radbot AA bats will last far longer (at least twice as long) due to AA bats and only one led to power. The Mars 4 sells for about $22 and the Radbot 1000 for $25...not much of a difference in price.
I noticed the original poster wanted a cheaper tail light, Dinotte is not cheap at over $150. However the BlackBurn Mars 4 is the brightest AAA or AA battery light on the market tied with Radbot 1000 for brightness, Both the Mars 4 and the Radbot 1000 use the same 1 watt LED bulb but the Mars 4 adds two 1/2 watt leds (one on each side) for side illumination making it far brighter from the side then the Radbot which is nearly impossible to see from the side. But be forewarned, the Mars 4 batteries do not last anywhere near as long as the Blackburn claims, they use 2 aaa bats and they will last about 7 to 8 hours on steady and about 15 to 18 on flashing. Thus you should invest in rechargeable AAA's and carry a spare set in your saddle bag. The Radbot AA bats will last far longer (at least twice as long) due to AA bats and only one led to power. The Mars 4 sells for about $22 and the Radbot 1000 for $25...not much of a difference in price.
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That said, the MS light is still silly bright and if the comparison would be for "best-bang-for-buck" it would win hands down. I was so satisfied with the MS that I've bought a couple more since then.
If someone says Dinotte is a lot brighter - then - I want them to come and see what happens when I run two MS lights in "pulse mode." I guarantee they attract more attention then any single light.
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I ended up ordering the Magicshine MJ-818 bike light set from dealextreme. I'll report back later.
I run two light heads in blink mode using 6xAA battery pack. It is true that some of the other lights are "just about" as good. But only a Dinotte - or some other big battery-powered light is going to provide the kind of flash of an MS tail light. You can't get that kind of power from most 3xAAA or 2xAA lights.
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It seems like a really bright light, my question is, based on my experience with the headlight from the same folks, is it's reliability. I think I'll wait before I get suckered into another to see if any complaints come up over time.
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That light is only a 1/2 watt LED, it's now old technology. The Blackburn Mars 4 uses 1 full watt led PLUS two 1/2 watt leds (one on each side) for side illumination which makes the Mars 4 the best light for side visibility. Plus having once owned a Super Blinky, my experience showed it to be fragile, it quit after about 4 months, I sent it back for warranty replacement and it was never returned...that was over a year ago. I called and e-mailed various people and nothing, after a relatively short while I gave up since $20's wasn't worth the time I was spending trying to get it back!
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I rarely use my diNotte rear light anymore because my riding partners refused to ride behind me. It was just too bright. I now use the PBSF.
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That light is only a 1/2 watt LED, it's now old technology. The Blackburn Mars 4 uses 1 full watt led PLUS two 1/2 watt leds (one on each side) for side illumination which makes the Mars 4 the best light for side visibility. Plus having once owned a Super Blinky, my experience showed it to be fragile, it quit after about 4 months, I sent it back for warranty replacement and it was never returned...that was over a year ago. I called and e-mailed various people and nothing, after a relatively short while I gave up since $20's wasn't worth the time I was spending trying to get it back!
However I doubt I will ever purchase the Blackburn light as, unlike your experience with the Super Blinky, my 2 Super Blinkys have been nothing short of superb in the area of reliability and that would include excellent weatherproofing qualities as they have endured the monsoons of Seattle where I cycle with no problemo since purchasing them over 5 years ago. They are the ultimate in low maintenance with long intervals of dependable, highly visible performance between battery charges. As far as fragile goes....of course they wouldn't survive being run over by a 16 wheeler. ( my helmet mounted Photon Freedom Fusion headlight might)
I am also wondering about price here.
Certainly, if the Blackburn is lower priced than a Super Blinky and is superior as you say perhaps I should be looking into it.
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I am sure the Blackburn product is good if you say so and is probably the best light for side visibility if that is your feeling about it.
However I doubt I will ever purchase the Blackburn light as, unlike your experience with the Super Blinky, my 2 Super Blinkys have been nothing short of superb in the area of reliability and that would include excellent weatherproofing qualities as they have endured the monsoons of Seattle where I cycle with no problemo since purchasing them over 5 years ago. They are the ultimate in low maintenance with long intervals of dependable, highly visible performance between battery charges. As far as fragile goes....of course they wouldn't survive being run over by a 16 wheeler. ( my helmet mounted Photon Freedom Fusion headlight might)
I am also wondering about price here.
Certainly, if the Blackburn is lower priced than a Super Blinky and is superior as you say perhaps I should be looking into it.
However I doubt I will ever purchase the Blackburn light as, unlike your experience with the Super Blinky, my 2 Super Blinkys have been nothing short of superb in the area of reliability and that would include excellent weatherproofing qualities as they have endured the monsoons of Seattle where I cycle with no problemo since purchasing them over 5 years ago. They are the ultimate in low maintenance with long intervals of dependable, highly visible performance between battery charges. As far as fragile goes....of course they wouldn't survive being run over by a 16 wheeler. ( my helmet mounted Photon Freedom Fusion headlight might)
I am also wondering about price here.
Certainly, if the Blackburn is lower priced than a Super Blinky and is superior as you say perhaps I should be looking into it.
Here's a You Tube example of 3 different ones included is the Light & motion vis180, Mars 4, and Blackburn Flee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpCAXJKz1p8
Here's another of the Mars 4 vs the Smart Super Flash which is the same as the Blinky I believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ReR0j3fHE
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I saw an interesting upcoming light from Cygolite at one of our distributors' sites:

Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
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I saw an interesting upcoming light from Cygolite at one of our distributors' sites:

Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
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I saw an interesting upcoming light from Cygolite at one of our distributors' sites:

Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
Cygolite Hotshot
2 watt emitter, USB-rechargeable, ~50hr runtime, US$40 MSRP if you buy it with just a USB cable (as opposed to a charger). That's encroaching on the territory of a DiNotte 140, in a self-contained light. I have no idea what the mounting options are like, but I'll have to get one and check it out in person. The distributor estimates it'll be available on 8-8: https://www.jbimporters.com/web/check...t_number=97427
Also worth noting: the listing mentions OSP, which is Cygolight-speak for user-programmability. I don't know if that means changing the flash rate/pattern, or the brightness on steady-burn.
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Leave it to Cygolite to make a better light and at a reasonable cost. I wonder what the cost will be for the new tail light?
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Mine is arriving Tuesday, and I'll try to post some preliminary info Tuesday night.
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I got mine for $32 from modernbike.com. The shipping was $7 unless you chose some items for which shipping was free. So I got something I needed anyway for $7 & the order came up to the same $40 with free shipping. It'll arrive on Tuesday. I mean, for that price, there is not much one can lose....
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With a USB cable (so it can be charged from a computer), it's US$40. With a wall charger, it's US$50. I have a leftover mini-USB-type charger from my last cell phone, so besides charging from a computer, I could just re-use that.
Mine is arriving Tuesday, and I'll try to post some preliminary info Tuesday night.
Mine is arriving Tuesday, and I'll try to post some preliminary info Tuesday night.
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