Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
Reload this Page >

old bottle generators and lamps

Search
Notices
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets HRM, GPS, MP3, HID. Whether it's got an acronym or not, here's where you'll find discussions on all sorts of tools, toys and gadgets.

old bottle generators and lamps

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-08-11 | 07:24 AM
  #1  
philski's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
old bottle generators and lamps

I have an older bottle generator and a headlamp/taillamp.

The tail lamp has no bulb; the headlamp has a bulb and works great.

My question being what is the typical voltage for forward/aft lights when run off a generator? I tried putting a 2.2v in the tail lamp, but in this configuration neither lamp would light.

Does a tail lamp use an even lower voltage bulb? Or is the generator to blame?

Thanks,

philip
philski is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 10:11 AM
  #2  
mechBgon's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,956
Likes: 6
If your generator is a 6-volt 3-watt one, which is the most common, you want a 6-volt, 0.6-watt taillight bulb and a 6-volt, 2.4-watt headlight bulb. When (not if) the headlight bulb fails, it will probably nuke the taillight bulb in a matter of seconds. When (not if) the taillight bulb fails, it will cause your headlight to run extra-bright, but failure is hastened. So you may want to consider a set of LED lights instead of incandescent... they don't burn out.
mechBgon is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 10:15 AM
  #3  
Doohickie's Avatar
You gonna eat that?
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,917
Likes: 543
From: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty

Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS

Where can you get LED replacements for the screw-in bulbs?
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.


Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 10:19 AM
  #4  
philski's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Doohickie
Where can you get LED replacements for the screw-in bulbs?
That's the question I came to ask

that, and where do you get a 6V 0.6W bulb? Walmart only had 2.2V and 4.4V bulbs... bike shop didn't carry bulbs.

philip
philski is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 11:23 AM
  #5  
Doohickie's Avatar
You gonna eat that?
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,917
Likes: 543
From: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty

Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS

I've tried some experiments with Radio Shack bulbs but can't find bulbs with the exact ratings needed.
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.


Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 01:27 PM
  #6  
mechBgon's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,956
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by Doohickie
Where can you get LED replacements for the screw-in bulbs?
I think the most practical approach is to just get an LED light. The emission pattern of an LED is nothing like the emission pattern of an incandescent filament, so even if you could find an LED replacement, the resulting beam pattern would be all wrong.

For a cost-effective LED headlight, how about the Lyt N: https://harriscyclery.net/product/bus...light-3200.htm

For a taillight, how about... *drum roll* ...a Planet Bike SuperFlash. Or if you really want a generator-powered one, this one's cool: https://harriscyclery.net/product/bus...light-3133.htm
mechBgon is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 01:39 PM
  #7  
philski's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by mechBgon
I think the most practical approach is to just get an LED light. The emission pattern of an LED is nothing like the emission pattern of an incandescent filament, so even if you could find an LED replacement, the resulting beam pattern would be all wrong.
I am fixing up an older bike with older lamps. I would like to keep the vintage look. Thanks, anyways...

philski
philski is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 01:54 PM
  #8  
Doohickie's Avatar
You gonna eat that?
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,917
Likes: 543
From: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty

Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS

Originally Posted by mechBgon
I think the most practical approach is to just get an LED light. The emission pattern of an LED is nothing like the emission pattern of an incandescent filament, so even if you could find an LED replacement, the resulting beam pattern would be all wrong.

For a cost-effective LED headlight, how about the Lyt N: https://harriscyclery.net/product/bus...light-3200.htm

For a taillight, how about... *drum roll* ...a Planet Bike SuperFlash. Or if you really want a generator-powered one, this one's cool: https://harriscyclery.net/product/bus...light-3133.htm
My interest lies in replacing bulbs on a 1966 Raleigh 3-speed. To be honest I would prefer incandescent replacements if I could find them. The look of a DL-1 just isn't the same with new-fangled lights. I already have one of those Toplights on my commuter though.
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.


Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 06:06 PM
  #9  
Fenway's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 424
Likes: 1
From: Boston, MA

Bikes: 1983 Peugeot UO14, KHS Green-Heavily modified, 1972 Raleigh Sprite 27" (work in progress)

Originally Posted by Doohickie
Where can you get LED replacements for the screw-in bulbs?
https://www.home.earthlink.net/~stein...erchandise.htm
Has screw in LED replacement bulbs. Though at the time of this posting he's out of stock.
Fenway is offline  
Reply
Old 08-08-11 | 06:39 PM
  #10  
Banned
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,586
Likes: 1,380
From: NW,Oregon Coast

Bikes: 8

The tail lamp has no bulb; the headlamp has a bulb and works great.
back to the basics ... load : 6v, 3w. typical split, 2.4w headlight, + a 0.6w taillight..

[NB: voltage is the same, it's the wattage that is higher front/back,
once shared load is reduced , the remaining filament gets all the power, so overheats]

screw base headlight bulbs^ seem to be quite sparsely available of late.

Last edited by fietsbob; 08-08-11 at 06:50 PM.
fietsbob is offline  
Reply
Old 08-09-11 | 04:59 AM
  #11  
Grishnak's Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 290
Likes: 5
From: West Sussex

Bikes: Ridgeback Steel Tourer,Recumbent SWB,Steel Road,,Raleigh Twenty,Elephant Bike,Pashley Pronto TNT.

My Led bulb replacements,have TTS-1WP on the box,lots of light,no-standlight.There is one with the standlight available(details are on here somewhere).IF NOT
Lots of old style bulbs especially for this purpose on Ebay.
Grishnak is offline  
Reply
Old 08-09-11 | 06:47 AM
  #12  
Doohickie's Avatar
You gonna eat that?
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,917
Likes: 543
From: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty

Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS

Originally Posted by fietsbob
back to the basics ... load : 6v, 3w. typical split, 2.4w headlight, + a 0.6w taillight..

[NB: voltage is the same, it's the wattage that is higher front/back,
once shared load is reduced , the remaining filament gets all the power, so overheats]

screw base headlight bulbs^ seem to be quite sparsely available of late.
What is typical of a bottle generator for an old 3-speed? 6V? I measure 13-14, rolling at moderate speed, on mine (if I recall correctly). I think this was loaded (light bulb on). Or is 6V just a nominal and the system is designed to run at a higher voltage?
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.


Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline  
Reply
Old 08-09-11 | 01:33 PM
  #13  
brianinc-ville's Avatar
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,399
Likes: 62
From: Greenville, NC
Originally Posted by Doohickie
What is typical of a bottle generator for an old 3-speed? 6V? I measure 13-14, rolling at moderate speed, on mine (if I recall correctly). I think this was loaded (light bulb on). Or is 6V just a nominal and the system is designed to run at a higher voltage?
6v models were (and are) much more common, but 12v models were made as well. If you examine the generator closely, you should see it marked either way. If you've got a 12v generator, in some ways you're in luck -- you can use LED bulbs that were made for 12v car systems and they'll be brighter than they would be on a 6v system. I had a thread about my adventures in updating old Raleigh 3-speed lights, here:

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...dynohub-lights

Since then, I actually got a friend in Germany to send me a couple of the rear-led-bulbs-with-built-in-standlight -- they work great, so far! Unfortunately, the seller won't ship to North America. No equivalent headlamp bulb is available, AFAIK.

I've got a vintange-headlamp-with-serious-LEDs-and-standlight project on the back burner; it looks like it'll be a pain to build.
brianinc-ville is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Winfried
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
25
10-20-19 08:02 AM
jyl
Classic & Vintage
10
09-21-17 05:56 PM
jyl
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
1
08-23-14 07:49 AM
McLoki
Classic & Vintage
8
08-03-10 06:05 PM
tsappenfield
Classic & Vintage
8
01-23-10 11:12 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.