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Old 07-29-15, 01:55 PM
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I haven't read this but for a couple of bucks it may provide some good info.
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Originally Posted by RonH
I haven't read this but for a couple of bucks it may provide some good info.
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thanks!

I have been doing various exercises for my right shoulder while on and off the bike with some gains being made in range of motion and strength. Since the only complete resolution to my problem is a total shoulder joint replacement, maybe the $4.99 could help delay the inevitable.
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Wife and I are 68. Bought each other custom configurated Surly Trolls for each other's birthdays, just a few days apart from our 38 wedding anniversary. Researching the various products, learning, finally selecting is the fun part. I had planned to assemble the bike myself, but the LBS wanted the work more than I wanted to save labor expense. So I say, this purchase of two trolls covers everything, and everything I should save done and should have gifted her but neglected to do so, since the time I bought her an iPhone 6+ and a new iPad
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Old 07-31-15, 07:32 AM
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Welcome to the 65+ section from west central Florida. Whereabouts in FL?
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Originally Posted by peterws
Anybody experience a frozen shoulder? Thats what the quack says ive got. They all say different things anyway, supposing i can get to see one.
Cant move my arm sideways above my head, even forwards its hard, and my shoulder gives me stick at night. Pulling on the handlebars uphill seems ok but im not sure if this should be avoided at present. Physio says use it or lose it. Shes a hard woman and doesnt know when a guy needs sympathy. . . .
A biking buddy had a "frozen shoulder diagnoses" and saw an ortho in Sarasota, Fl. Got a local, they manipulated it, freed it up, gave him exercises and seems to be happy.


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Originally Posted by Viking55803
I've had some issues with beta blockers, which limit the heart rate, but am on the lowest dose they make. My conditioning has improved steadily especially since I started weight training about a year and half ago. But here's an issue that is concerning me today. Yesterday I did a 28 mile ride with about 800 feet of climbing. Normally on the hills or during a hard effort I can get my heart rate up to about 135 - 140, but yesterday I could not push it past 124. I averaged 15.3 mph and my perceived effort was fairly hard, but that heart rate just would not budge.

Any thoughts?
Like you, I was born in 1948. I briefly raced in the 1970s. I've had a heart attack. I don't know how high my heart rate went before my heart attack. I know I can get it up to 180 without too much difficulty on the steep hills around my home. I can go higher if I want to hurt myself for several seconds. Rather than hurt myself, I don't push myself as hard as I can up, but I certainly still ride up the steepest hills I can find.

Here's my thoughts about you: if your perceived effort was the same, then, for that one day, maybe that's as high as you could take your heart rate. Maybe it'll be different another day.

Maybe, since you've been training, you're getting the same amount of work out of a more efficient heart rate.

Perhaps you aren't really pushing as hard as you think you are, or can. If you really want to get your heart rate up as high as possible, you have to really punish yourself.

By the way, have you read this article: Cycling to extremes - VeloNews.com - it's about what may be happening to older people who push the limits. It's definitely got me thinking I don't want to punish myself anymore.
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Originally Posted by RonH
I haven't read this but for a couple of bucks it may provide some good info.
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Been there;done that-rotator cuff surgery in 2010 and was off the bike four months
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Old 08-03-15, 03:31 PM
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Seems the doctors were a bit premature with their diagnosis about osteopenia. The bone density scan showed that the numbers are within normal limits for my age. I finally had an MRI last Thursday. The doctor called this morning and said I have spinal stenosis. I'll be seeing an ortho doc later in the week for whatever he has planned. I looked up spinal stenosis and it says that aerobic exercise such as bicycling is good for it.
Went to the spine doc today. He looked at the MRI and suggested pain management rater than surgery. He said I'm in good shape for my age. He said the surgery would not fix the problem. It would probably have to be done again in 3-5 years. He said I could do the pain management for 5 years or more. Then when I'm "old" and not as active as I am now we could talk about the surgery.
I was glad to learn that he is a cyclist. He has a Trek Madone carbon (don't know which model). He asked what bikes I had. He said the Litespeed, because it's titanium, is an excellent bike with a very comfortable ride and easier on the back and spine. He said the Cannondale isn't as comfortable and is harder on the back and spine. He said he did LOTS of research on bikes before selecting the Trek. Of course his budget is much larger than mine. I was looking at Trek prices. His bike was probably $6000+. My Cannondale was only $2200.
I told my wife and she said, "What else do we need to spend our money on." I've never been a fan of Trek. I always considered Trek to be like a Chevy. Everybody has one so there's nothing special about it. But I'll be thinking about it.
Anyway, I'll start the pain management and cross my fingers and ride my bikes. Life is still good!!!
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Decided against the Trek Madone. I rode to the bike shop today and talked with the owner about a "better" carbon Cannondale. We talked about the SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod. Sherry (the owner) gave me some prices on a leftover 2015 (would have to be Dura-Ace to get Hi-Mod) and two 2016s. The 2016 choices would be Ultegra or Dura-Ace. She said she'd give me a good trade-in on the 2015 I have since I bought the bike from her and its in like-new condition. Just waiting for the 2016s to come in and trying to decide exactly what I want.
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no one has posted in this thread for over a month so here goes. I decided to go with the 2016 Cannondale SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod Ultegra. The wife said definitely. Can't wait for Cannondale to release them. Sherry (the shop owner) said it will be after Interbike. She let me test ride her bike last week. It was really tough returning it after a 22 mile test ride.
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Originally Posted by RonH
This is the bike I'll be getting.
Ron, are you sure that a bike that flashy is suitable for someone of your age? But seriously, that is a really great bike! Give us a ride report when you get it. I just recently talked myself out of a new bike and will stick with my current lineup for a couple more years. This is my Cannondale Synapse Carbon 5 of 2010 vintage, with some modifications (mainly the wheelset):




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Originally Posted by Viking55803
Born in 1948. I raced in the late 1960's before returning to Minnesota in 1972. After that I mainly competed in x-country skiing and running events. I had a nasty heart attack playing hockey in 1992 which left me with some permanent damage. For the next twenty years I kept some conditioning by hiking and snowshoeing year round, but finally needed quadruple bypass surgery in November of 2012. Of course I did some mountain biking, but found falling a lot did not appeal to me, but after surgery I lost a lot of extra weight and started dreaming about being back on the road bike. I started riding again about 5 months after surgery and haven't looked back. I'm at the same weight I was when I competed in my 20's which makes the dang hills around Duluth, Mn a bit easier to climb.

This spring I picked up a Raleigh Tamland gravel bike. The road around here are pretty beat up from 6 months of winter, and gravel "racing" has exploded in Minnesota and around the midwest. I did a short gravel race in June and will be doing the Filthy Fifty in October. I wear a heart monitor when I ride and started tracking all my rides on Strava. I created the "Cardiac Cycling Club International" on Strava for folks like me with heart disease. We have 32 members now.

I've had some issues with beta blockers, which limit the heart rate, but am on the lowest dose they make. My conditioning has improved steadily especially since I started weight training about a year and half ago. But here's an issue that is concerning me today. Yesterday I did a 28 mile ride with about 800 feet of climbing. Normally on the hills or during a hard effort I can get my heart rate up to about 135 - 140, but yesterday I could not push it past 124. I averaged 15.3 mph and my perceived effort was fairly hard, but that heart rate just would not budge.

Any thoughts?
my theory is that your working muscles generate the oxygen demand and your heart responds to that. Some days our muscles may be fatigued and do not generate the the oxygen demand and your heart will not respond by going as high. It probably indicates that you need more recovery in your working muscles. Also, the aerobic system is more than just the heart. It is the lungs, the blood, the arteries, veins, capillaries and the blood itself including your red blood cell count. People who are on beta blockers eventually develop those other elements to compensate for the lower heart rate. You can increase the stroke volume through targeted training. Increase RBC count, capillary beds, etc. If your perceived effort is high but your power output is low our muscles are not fresh.
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I have been away from this forum for a while but have enjoyed reading this thread. WRT #1710 and later, I still like my Arvon1 touring bicycle shown in Arvon Cycles "Expedition Grade" Touring Bike with S and S Couplings but with a new (Arvon-built) front rack. Those 48-spoke PW hubs have really stood the test of time as have the Sun Rhyno-lite rims (48 spoke 4X laced). Naturally the Brooks saddle is a blessing in terms of comfort.

At the age of 67 I finally completed a tour from Perth WA to Peterborough SA on this bicycle (July 7 - Aug 8 and 2700 km). Thus I can now say that I have used this bicycle to tour between Perth and Sydney.

Not too shabby for a Type 1 diabetic (since 1964) doing self-supported touring. My rotator cuff issue is fixable thru surgery,, but at my age I will leave it as-is. The torn ligament does not negatively affect my legs which are the power for my touring. Such is life

More trips in OZ planned next "winter" (aka July-August). Unfortunately my job (which I really love and do not need to do because I am financially independent) gets in the way of lots of bicycle touring.

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Old 09-08-15, 01:22 PM
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Ron, are you sure that a bike that flashy is suitable for someone of your age? But seriously, that is a really great bike! Give us a ride report when you get it. I just recently talked myself out of a new bike and will stick with my current lineup for a couple more years. This is my Cannondale Synapse Carbon 5 of 2010 vintage, with some modifications (mainly the wheelset):

I'm not getting the bike because it's flashy. My spine doc said I needed a better bike than the Supersix EVO that I now have -- it's not Hi-Mod. He said the Litespeed is a great bike. He said to get something like he has -- a Trek Madone. I'm guessing his is at least the $8300 model. My pockets aren't quite that deep.
I'm still considering a Synapse Hi-Mod but am mostly leaning toward a SuperSix Hi-Mod. Both bikes will be in the shop in a few weeks for a test ride before deciding.
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I have been away from this forum for a while but have enjoyed reading this thread. WRT #1710 and later, I still like my Arvon1 touring bicycle shown in Arvon Cycles "Expedition Grade" Touring Bike with S and S Couplings but with a new (Arvon-built) front rack. Those 48-spoke PW hubs have really stood the test of time as have the Sun Rhyno-lite rims (48 spoke 4X laced). Naturally the Brooks saddle is a blessing in terms of comfort.

At the age of 67 I finally completed a tour from Perth WA to Peterborough SA on this bicycle (July 7 - Aug 8 and 2700 km). Thus I can now say that I have used this bicycle to tour between Perth and Sydney.

Not too shabby for a Type 1 diabetic (since 1964) doing self-supported touring. My rotator cuff issue is fixable thru surgery,, but at my age I will leave it as-is. The torn ligament does not negatively affect my legs which are the power for my touring. Such is life

More trips in OZ planned next "winter" (aka July-August). Unfortunately my job (which I really love and do not need to do because I am financially independent) gets in the way of lots of bicycle touring.
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68 years old , 3,000 miles a year. Riding helps keep me both mentally and physically healthy. My wife says that trapped inside my 68 year old head is a 12 year old.
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84 and counting. With my age and a triple bypass I'm pretty well restricted to an E trike but that doesn't mean I can't have some fun. No longer safe to drive a car so my trike is it.
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I'm not getting the bike because it's flashy. My spine doc said I needed a better bike than the Supersix EVO that I now have -- it's not Hi-Mod. He said the Litespeed is a great bike. He said to get something like he has --
Spine doc picking high end bikes for his clients??? Tell him road feel is 90% in the tires, then the wheels; not the frame or components or the higher price.
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Now if you can just get the Litespeed on a prescription pad as a required for "Physical Therapy" maybe insurance would spring for it verses months of appointments for PT.

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I guess I'm fortunate. Three of my doctors -- primary care, spine and maxillo-facial (I saw after car/bike mix-up) are cyclists.

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Spine doc picking high end bikes for his clients??? Tell him road feel is 90% in the tires, then the wheels; not the frame or components or the higher price.
Are you a spine doctor or do you play one on television?


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Now if you can just get the Litespeed on a prescription pad as a required for "Physical Therapy" maybe insurance would spring for it verses months of appointments for PT.
There is no PT other than riding and "stretching" on my inversion table. I've owned the Litespeed since April 2001. Its an awesome bike.
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Cross training for folks in their 70's+

Anyone else 70+ doing cross training?

At almost 76yo, I've been doing it for years - swimming, walking several miles, bicycling, resistance training, targeted stretching.

As far as resistance training, in addition to some more traditional activities, about a year ago I took up TRX, and do it a couple of times per week to a DVD. I also use stretch bands, do 90 second planks, full body dips, do traditional pushups - about 40 - 50 at a time, although I am working on 76 in a row for my 76th birthday (I did 75 last year, but life got in the way of my training for a bit this year, and I have fallen back). I am working on pullups, but they seem terrifically difficult for me. I can do about 3 and that is it!! I do other more "traditional" resistance exercises.

I generally swim 35-45 minutes and often combine it with a ride. Typical is an early morning workout, a ride of 20-30 miles and a swim.

I find that if I am not regular, I lose strength easily.

I think cross-training gets more and more important as we age.

So, how about you?

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Originally Posted by RISKDR1
my theory is that your working muscles generate the oxygen demand and your heart responds to that. Some days our muscles may be fatigued and do not generate the the oxygen demand and your heart will not respond by going as high. It probably indicates that you need more recovery in your working muscles. Also, the aerobic system is more than just the heart. It is the lungs, the blood, the arteries, veins, capillaries and the blood itself including your red blood cell count. People who are on beta blockers eventually develop those other elements to compensate for the lower heart rate. You can increase the stroke volume through targeted training. Increase RBC count, capillary beds, etc. If your perceived effort is high but your power output is low our muscles are not fresh.
Your response was right on I think. Since that one ride I have been able to correlate my heart rate with my muscle fatigue. In fact, my legs seem to be limiting me more than my heart rate. I have been too focused on heart rate I think. Lately I've been letting my legs drive my heart rate instead of the other way around - if that makes sense. There are a lot of external and internal issues that drive heart rate - muscular exertion being only one. Stress, lack of sleep or rest, ambient temp etc. all have their effect.

In any case, the sensations in the legs are what I am paying more attention to with heart rate in a supporting role. Just last evening I set a personal record on a local 10K time trial course I've been doing regularly for the past 3 seasons. I destroyed my previous PR which was done on a road bike with aero bars while now I am riding a heavier gravel bike with 40mm tires. I think I was 2 minutes faster than my previous PR last night.

The other thing I've been doing as I prepare for my first "competitive" event - a 50 mile gravel race in October - was based on a post in the 50+ forum about 4X8 minute intervals. I've made sure I have a couple of days rest after an interval session which usually takes place in the middle of a 40 mile ride. I've been avoiding intervals but I'll tell you they seem to act like steroids and the results are evident after only a couple of weeks. My feeling, however, is that they need to be used wisely.
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Originally Posted by nobodyhere
Cross training for folks in their 70's+

I think cross-training gets more and more important as we age.

So, how about you?
Well, I'm only 69 at the moment, but agree with you completely. I am more of an avid runner than a cyclist -- it's something that I can do year-round in these parts -- and tend to look on my cycling as cross-training for the running events I participate in a few times a year. I also do strength training at the gym at least once a week in the summer and several times a week in the winter. I'm not much of a swimmer, but I do understand the benefits and during the winter I usually go about once a week to a place where I can swim laps in the pool.

Like I said, I'm not quite in my 70s, but don't see any reason why I won't be doing mostly these same activities for years to come.
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Originally Posted by Viking55803
Your response was right on I think. Since that one ride I have been able to correlate my heart rate with my muscle fatigue. In fact, my legs seem to be limiting me more than my heart rate. I have been too focused on heart rate I think. Lately I've been letting my legs drive my heart rate instead of the other way around - if that makes sense. There are a lot of external and internal issues that drive heart rate - muscular exertion being only one. Stress, lack of sleep or rest, ambient temp etc. all have their effect.

In any case, the sensations in the legs are what I am paying more attention to with heart rate in a supporting role. Just last evening I set a personal record on a local 10K time trial course I've been doing regularly for the past 3 seasons. I destroyed my previous PR which was done on a road bike with aero bars while now I am riding a heavier gravel bike with 40mm tires. I think I was 2 minutes faster than my previous PR last night.

The other thing I've been doing as I prepare for my first "competitive" event - a 50 mile gravel race in October - was based on a post in the 50+ forum about 4X8 minute intervals. I've made sure I have a couple of days rest after an interval session which usually takes place in the middle of a 40 mile ride. I've been avoiding intervals but I'll tell you they seem to act like steroids and the results are evident after only a couple of weeks. My feeling, however, is that they need to be used wisely.
I am on a Beta blocker and it has really messed up my hart rate, and I have to use the RPE method that gives me a idea of how hard I am working. My hart rate changes with my RPE as I ride, and is different for each ride.

I had a hart attack in April 2015 and my cardo doc says I need to be on the Beta blocker for one year, and after a year current research indicates that Beta blockers are no longer needed. I have a friend who was on Beta blockers for several years, and finally stopped and he lost weight and his performance on the bike improved (he and his wife completed Paris Brest Paris last month. I recommend that you revisit the Beta blocker with your doc.

I have not really done serious intervals; but you just convinced me that I need to start.

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Originally Posted by RISKDR1
my theory is that your working muscles generate the oxygen demand and your heart responds to that. Some days our muscles may be fatigued and do not generate the the oxygen demand and your heart will not respond by going as high. It probably indicates that you need more recovery in your working muscles. Also, the aerobic system is more than just the heart. It is the lungs, the blood, the arteries, veins, capillaries and the blood itself including your red blood cell count. People who are on beta blockers eventually develop those other elements to compensate for the lower heart rate. You can increase the stroke volume through targeted training. Increase RBC count, capillary beds, etc. If your perceived effort is high but your power output is low our muscles are not fresh.
legs are tired and you need recovery or you're getting sick which also requires rest and recovery. Hear rate monitors can be very useful.
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