Harrowing Experience - Update On Palpitations
#201
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From: Weaving thru the cowpud outside Modesto CA
Home will be all the sweeter when you return. I think you owe yourself a new bike for grinning (maybe) and bearing (for sure) all this hassle. Reminds me a little of that movie "Hospital" with George C. Scott. Best wishes still flowing.
#203
Sitting here in the motel.
My blood pressure was extremely low last night - like 70/40.
Anyway, I have been taken off of metropolol, and have been placed on
solatol(sp?).
SO, in some random order I will try and put my thoughts together.
Regarding the heart screen, I am not the only one who feels as if
this heart savers business needs some improvement. There seems to be
a place right next to the hospital that perhaps does the same thing,
instead of having to go 60 miles.
So, they tried again (this time a cardiologist and another tech) and
were unsuccessful in getting the IV for the dye started. I was
getting a bit panicked, as this was Thursday, the procedure was on
Friday, and there was no way that Natale was going to do the ablation
without the images.
In desperation, I once again showed them my foot and that there were
usable veins for an IV.
So, they got on the phone and called UCLA Medical Center to see if
they had done Dyes in the foot in the past, and they had done
several. They figured out the protocol, and the timing and the
amount, and after a lot of futzing around, finally injected me with a
lot more dye that usual, and managed to get some usable CT scans.
But, that dye is not particularly good for your body. I was advised
to dring lots of water, but Ialso could not drink anything after
midnight in preparation for the ablation Friday. A real conundrum.
So, they gave us the CD's and we were the messengers who delivered the
goods to the hospital.
I was told that they had NEVER used a foot before! Guess I made some
history.
So on ablation day, I showed up at 7:00 am and took an INR. It was
1,8!! Panic again, but Natale came in and said "No problem!"
So, they put me on a table with all sorts of electronic equipment, and
started to give me IV versed and something else (using the other foot). Anyway, I kept
saying it wasn't doing anything to me and that is all I remember.
So, I awoke in the recovery room, and said Hi to my wife, son and
daughter in law. I was soon taken to the 3rd floor cardio ward, where
I woke up some more.
So, I did okay except that I was not voiding as I should which I
blame on the dye in my kidney. I drank and drank and drank, still no
luck. I also walked up and down the hospital corridor (wearing a
portable heart transmitter) for about a mile. I did that
intermittently during the long night. Imagine me walking in front of
the nurse's station at 4:00 am! So the nurse thought I should receive
a one-time catheritization to clear out the bladder. Ugh - and it did
no good except make everything from then on bloody!
Well, I didn't sleep much at all last night, which didn't surprise me,
as I never sleep well in new places such as hospitals
)
So, it was really neat seeing the heart monitor in my room
saying "normal sinus rhythm" but MY BP was way too low. Still is. I
will DC a medication tomorrow to see if it gets any better. I get
dizzy when I stand up. My heart is about 59, which is where it was
before the AFib.
So, it will take at least 3 months to settle down, and care will be
provided by Natale et al during this time in conjunction with my
cardiologist.
So, that is about it. Please excuse the typing errors - this is the
best I can do right now!
So, I will be off any heavy exercise for 3 weeks. Can do light exercise after a week - gentle bike rides, etc.
Thanks for reading.
Hopefully, this ends the saga of the "Harrowing Experience!"
My blood pressure was extremely low last night - like 70/40.
Anyway, I have been taken off of metropolol, and have been placed on
solatol(sp?).
SO, in some random order I will try and put my thoughts together.
Regarding the heart screen, I am not the only one who feels as if
this heart savers business needs some improvement. There seems to be
a place right next to the hospital that perhaps does the same thing,
instead of having to go 60 miles.
So, they tried again (this time a cardiologist and another tech) and
were unsuccessful in getting the IV for the dye started. I was
getting a bit panicked, as this was Thursday, the procedure was on
Friday, and there was no way that Natale was going to do the ablation
without the images.
In desperation, I once again showed them my foot and that there were
usable veins for an IV.
So, they got on the phone and called UCLA Medical Center to see if
they had done Dyes in the foot in the past, and they had done
several. They figured out the protocol, and the timing and the
amount, and after a lot of futzing around, finally injected me with a
lot more dye that usual, and managed to get some usable CT scans.
But, that dye is not particularly good for your body. I was advised
to dring lots of water, but Ialso could not drink anything after
midnight in preparation for the ablation Friday. A real conundrum.
So, they gave us the CD's and we were the messengers who delivered the
goods to the hospital.
I was told that they had NEVER used a foot before! Guess I made some
history.
So on ablation day, I showed up at 7:00 am and took an INR. It was
1,8!! Panic again, but Natale came in and said "No problem!"
So, they put me on a table with all sorts of electronic equipment, and
started to give me IV versed and something else (using the other foot). Anyway, I kept
saying it wasn't doing anything to me and that is all I remember.
So, I awoke in the recovery room, and said Hi to my wife, son and
daughter in law. I was soon taken to the 3rd floor cardio ward, where
I woke up some more.
So, I did okay except that I was not voiding as I should which I
blame on the dye in my kidney. I drank and drank and drank, still no
luck. I also walked up and down the hospital corridor (wearing a
portable heart transmitter) for about a mile. I did that
intermittently during the long night. Imagine me walking in front of
the nurse's station at 4:00 am! So the nurse thought I should receive
a one-time catheritization to clear out the bladder. Ugh - and it did
no good except make everything from then on bloody!
Well, I didn't sleep much at all last night, which didn't surprise me,
as I never sleep well in new places such as hospitals
)So, it was really neat seeing the heart monitor in my room
saying "normal sinus rhythm" but MY BP was way too low. Still is. I
will DC a medication tomorrow to see if it gets any better. I get
dizzy when I stand up. My heart is about 59, which is where it was
before the AFib.
So, it will take at least 3 months to settle down, and care will be
provided by Natale et al during this time in conjunction with my
cardiologist.
So, that is about it. Please excuse the typing errors - this is the
best I can do right now!
So, I will be off any heavy exercise for 3 weeks. Can do light exercise after a week - gentle bike rides, etc.
Thanks for reading.
Hopefully, this ends the saga of the "Harrowing Experience!"
Last edited by DnvrFox; 08-27-05 at 08:42 PM.
#204
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Great to hear from you. it sounds as if the treatment was almost as problematical as the original symptoms. We're all pulling for you.
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#205
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Yeah, hang in there, Denver Fox! Lots of folks pulling for you tonight. Good luck!
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#208
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I really feel for you. Hope you get better. I have a condition called panic disorder. Sometimes when I would work out I would become preoccupied with my heartrate and stress out, it would eventually lead to nervousness, palpatations, shortness of breath and to be honest I thought I was dying of a heart attack. I'm only 21 so I am already on a similar but yet very different situation. My only advice is to keep doing whatever you want to do and don't let your body of brain stop you.
#209
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From: North Carolina Piedmont
Bikes: 1984 Peugeot P8; 2006 Trek 5200
Amazing story. Glad to hear it went successfully, (notice I don't say it went well). Now just rest up and get back to it in a week. It's good to have you with us!
#210
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From: Southern California
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Wow...what a thread! Let me add my best wishes to everyone else. As someone said midway through the threads I sure don't understand all the medical jargon but it appears through all the trials and tribulations you somehow got to the right place. I can empathize with the stress part of the cause of your whole ordreal as I also have a severely mentally ******** son with a sleep disorder. My angel wife has beared most of this stress. I hope you're back on the bike before long as to me exercise is by far the best stress reducer. Keep posting and riding Fox !
#211
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From: Ellioctt City, MD
Bikes: Lemond Zurick, BF Pocket Crusoe, Trek 2120, Iron Horse Maverick
It will take a couple days for the anethesia, dyes, etc to clear from your body. Feeling dizzy and lethargic is to be expected. Normally, the heart rate goes up after an PVA procedure. I'm pleasantly surprised that yours didn't. It took my heart many months to get back to its normal 55-60 bpm. It was 70-75 bpm after the procedure.
You will quickly feel better each day over the next two weeks and don't worry if you still have some palpitations. They should stopi in a month or so after the scar tissue has formed.
I'm sorry you had a rough time of it. I was very fortunate. My procedure was a piece of cake - especially compared to yours.
If you have any questions, please contact me. I can email my phone number to you.
FYI, my thrill for today was celebrating my 60th birthday by getting knocked off my bike by a dog. Fortunately, I escaped with minor scrapes and bruises. I can't believe I wasn't seriously hurt.
Take care and keep us posted on your recovery.
You will quickly feel better each day over the next two weeks and don't worry if you still have some palpitations. They should stopi in a month or so after the scar tissue has formed.
I'm sorry you had a rough time of it. I was very fortunate. My procedure was a piece of cake - especially compared to yours.
If you have any questions, please contact me. I can email my phone number to you.
FYI, my thrill for today was celebrating my 60th birthday by getting knocked off my bike by a dog. Fortunately, I escaped with minor scrapes and bruises. I can't believe I wasn't seriously hurt.
Take care and keep us posted on your recovery.
#212
Originally Posted by Bacco
It will take a couple days for the anethesia, dyes, etc to clear from your body. Feeling dizzy and lethargic is to be expected. Normally, the heart rate goes up after an PVA procedure. I'm pleasantly surprised that yours didn't. It took my heart many months to get back to its normal 55-60 bpm. It was 70-75 bpm after the procedure.
You will quickly feel better each day over the next two weeks and don't worry if you still have some palpitations. They should stopi in a month or so after the scar tissue has formed.
I'm sorry you had a rough time of it. I was very fortunate. My procedure was a piece of cake - especially compared to yours.
If you have any questions, please contact me. I can email my phone number to you.
FYI, my thrill for today was celebrating my 60th birthday by getting knocked off my bike by a dog. Fortunately, I escaped with minor scrapes and bruises. I can't believe I wasn't seriously hurt.
Take care and keep us posted on your recovery.
You will quickly feel better each day over the next two weeks and don't worry if you still have some palpitations. They should stopi in a month or so after the scar tissue has formed.
I'm sorry you had a rough time of it. I was very fortunate. My procedure was a piece of cake - especially compared to yours.
If you have any questions, please contact me. I can email my phone number to you.
FYI, my thrill for today was celebrating my 60th birthday by getting knocked off my bike by a dog. Fortunately, I escaped with minor scrapes and bruises. I can't believe I wasn't seriously hurt.
Take care and keep us posted on your recovery.
My major problem is that I totally conk out after about 1/2 block, and yet we have to get on airplane to get back to Denver. Wife has bad back, also. Not quite sure how we are going to pull that off!
We have extended our stay here for 2 days to allow for more recovery - cost a bundle to reschedule everything. We are thinking of shipping our stuff back by UPS. The SFO is particularly hard to negotiate.
I am feeling some better this evening.
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Let us know how you are feeling when you get home. Good luck with the travel. Don't be too embarassed to request a wheelchair at the airport.
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You're in my thoughts. Let yourself rest and try try try not to obsess on everything. I second the airport wheelchair suggestion.
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#216
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From: Dripping Springs, Texas
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I also suggest a wheel chair or courtesy cart. Something tells me the toughest part of your recovery is going to be YOU! Already talking about getting back on your bike, for goodness sake! 
Please don't be too impatient and give yourself a chance to recover so that in the long run, you can enjoy renewed strength and vitality. We're all cheering for you!

Please don't be too impatient and give yourself a chance to recover so that in the long run, you can enjoy renewed strength and vitality. We're all cheering for you!
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DnvrFox,
I've been following you and your "adventures" with the medical establishment. Rest assured that you have been in my prayers too. 'Hope everything goes well. And remember, a wheelchair is just a modified set of bicycles. Let someone else do the steering if you need to.
John
I've been following you and your "adventures" with the medical establishment. Rest assured that you have been in my prayers too. 'Hope everything goes well. And remember, a wheelchair is just a modified set of bicycles. Let someone else do the steering if you need to.
John
#219
Originally Posted by DnvrFox
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I am feeling some better this evening.
I am feeling some better this evening.
we're ALL pulling for you. Besides the posters who have offered their observations from their own experiences, all the quiet ones, like I, are also with you in spirit.
2nd
Thanks for this thread and the dedication to posting everything you're experiencing. I've been reading and re-reading it constantly. I've gone back thru sections trying to absorb, but there's so much brought up and so many questions that come as a result.
Others chiming in about their own experiences, other's concerns. It is overwhelming and compelling.
Please do keep up the information as much as you're able and feel comfortable in doing.
It strikes close to home for many of us.
Not sure when, but some decades back I was advised I had an irregular heartbeat. Along the way I've had occasional tests that haven't revealed much more. Had a full checkup some 2 years back, with nothing much to report other than good indications and with my recent stint in the hospital and 2 days in ICU due to my mishap in Dec., I have to assume that there was nothing much of an unusual nature.
Still the hospital docs were a bit concerned on their first review until they learned I was dedicated cyclist.
They did mention my low heart rate, but made no big bones about it.
I've decided (based on the questions your thread has created in me) the best thing for me is to now better 'define' where I am. Meaning another full workup and stress test.
I hope that your condition can be resolved to the best outcome possible, and that whatever you go thru doesn't in any way further complicate the healing process. like cycling, this 'ride' is something only you can do for yourself. But we can 'ride' along side and hopefully add to the positive side of the 'pace'.
hopefully, soon, you'll again have (as Mollusk so aptly put) "...days where it feels like there is no chain on the bike and the bike is propelled by magic".
#220
Originally Posted by cyclezen
Been following your tribulations on this. I've got 2 things to say.
we're ALL pulling for you. Besides the posters who have offered their observations from their own experiences, all the quiet ones, like I, are also with you in spirit.
2nd
Thanks for this thread and the dedication to posting everything you're experiencing. I've been reading and re-reading it constantly. I've gone back thru sections trying to absorb, but there's so much brought up and so many questions that come as a result.
Others chiming in about their own experiences, other's concerns. It is overwhelming and compelling.
Please do keep up the information as much as you're able and feel comfortable in doing.
It strikes close to home for many of us.
we're ALL pulling for you. Besides the posters who have offered their observations from their own experiences, all the quiet ones, like I, are also with you in spirit.
2nd
Thanks for this thread and the dedication to posting everything you're experiencing. I've been reading and re-reading it constantly. I've gone back thru sections trying to absorb, but there's so much brought up and so many questions that come as a result.
Others chiming in about their own experiences, other's concerns. It is overwhelming and compelling.
Please do keep up the information as much as you're able and feel comfortable in doing.
It strikes close to home for many of us.
Interestingly, I have been criticized by some for posting this thread.
There are those who feel they are invincible (that included me in the past) because of their conditioning - and I will add, good luck.
However, this condition is MORE likely to strike the conditioned athlete than the couch potato. The larger the heart and atrial veins (conditioned athlete) the likelier the atial fibrillation, and the opposite is also true - the smaller the heart, etc. (couch potato) the less likely. Almost all whales have it, and no mice!
I thought that one person's experiences might be of value to others.
anyway, I really appreciate your support.
#221
Berry Pie..the Holy Grail
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From: Weaving thru the cowpud outside Modesto CA
Dnvr,
Just got my pc back after 5 days in the shop and have been catching up on your thread. Others have posted their support so eloquently and sincerely there's little to add. I think this thread, and the attitudes behind it, are the heart and soul of this "50Plus" section. To misquote something from another rider we all know who spent some time in hospital, "Its not (merely) about the bike, but about the people behind the bikes and our shared experiences at this point in life." Continued good wishes...
Just got my pc back after 5 days in the shop and have been catching up on your thread. Others have posted their support so eloquently and sincerely there's little to add. I think this thread, and the attitudes behind it, are the heart and soul of this "50Plus" section. To misquote something from another rider we all know who spent some time in hospital, "Its not (merely) about the bike, but about the people behind the bikes and our shared experiences at this point in life." Continued good wishes...
#222
Okay, I just have verbal diarrhea, and I suppose those who can't tolerate me have put me on their "ignore" lists by now, or don't read this thread. Just one more update:
Wife and I drove to Muir Woods National Monument today. Beautiful
untouched Sequioa Sempervirens trees, majestically towering into the
heavens. A magical place.
Bikers around here are a bit crazy. They do the roads around Mt Tamalpais, which are steep and windy and narrow and have NO shoulder, as if cars should just make room for them. Which, of course, I did.
We did about a 1.5 mile walk on a boardwalk which goes by Redwood
Creek. Just a great experience.
Then we drove 3 miles to Muir Beach, part of the Golden Gate
National Recreation Area. A beautiful beach with sand and rocks,
and walked through very soft sand to get to the more firm wet sand.
Walked some there and just sat and enjoyed the waves and sound of
the breakers against the rocks.
Then, I sort of "hit the wall" in my energy level, and we drove to a
wonderful "Pelican Inn" about 1/2 mile away and had a scrumptious
lunch - wife had a shrimp salad, and I had Fish and Chips!
Drove back to motel, took packed luggage to UPS and shipped to
Denver, so we only have backpacks for return home.
Then I locked the keys in the car. Extreme panic. Contacted AAA
and they sent out a guy who broke into the car in about 3 minutes.
I wonder why we even lock them?
Took nap, and here I am
)
Endurance WAY up, all catheter insert locations (3) healing nicely,
NSR seems totally steady. Just can't wait to get back into serious
cycling with working heart!
Cheers! Back to Denver tomorrow AM early.
Back to "gentle" cycling Friday!
Back to "Catch me if you can" cycling in a couple of weeks.
Wife and I drove to Muir Woods National Monument today. Beautiful
untouched Sequioa Sempervirens trees, majestically towering into the
heavens. A magical place.
Bikers around here are a bit crazy. They do the roads around Mt Tamalpais, which are steep and windy and narrow and have NO shoulder, as if cars should just make room for them. Which, of course, I did.
We did about a 1.5 mile walk on a boardwalk which goes by Redwood
Creek. Just a great experience.
Then we drove 3 miles to Muir Beach, part of the Golden Gate
National Recreation Area. A beautiful beach with sand and rocks,
and walked through very soft sand to get to the more firm wet sand.
Walked some there and just sat and enjoyed the waves and sound of
the breakers against the rocks.
Then, I sort of "hit the wall" in my energy level, and we drove to a
wonderful "Pelican Inn" about 1/2 mile away and had a scrumptious
lunch - wife had a shrimp salad, and I had Fish and Chips!
Drove back to motel, took packed luggage to UPS and shipped to
Denver, so we only have backpacks for return home.
Then I locked the keys in the car. Extreme panic. Contacted AAA
and they sent out a guy who broke into the car in about 3 minutes.
I wonder why we even lock them?
Took nap, and here I am
)Endurance WAY up, all catheter insert locations (3) healing nicely,
NSR seems totally steady. Just can't wait to get back into serious
cycling with working heart!
Cheers! Back to Denver tomorrow AM early.
Back to "gentle" cycling Friday!
Back to "Catch me if you can" cycling in a couple of weeks.
#223
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Sounds Great Dnvr Fox! My wife and I went through the Muir Woods and beach 15 years ago as part of our honeymoon. It really is a nice spot.
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#224
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From: Dripping Springs, Texas
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I missed your update earlier this week, DnvrFox, but I'm glad to hear all is going well. I hope you had a nice ride yesterday and your recovery continues smoothly.





