The show I saw was him and a female from ?. He was very enthusiastic about the product. No amazement or disbelief evident. He was pretty enthusiastic about the benefits of fat loss as a mechanism to make a person feel better. If memory serves his phrase was something like: "Fat loss makes you feel lean and act lean. That has benefits on health and fitness." So, maybe we are talking about two different shows? Haven't followed up other than to do small amount of Medscape and other research.

At this point it seems Rasberry Extract seems like a reasonable nutrient supplement to take in the dosage recommended, Oz or not.

Oh please, don't play semantics. My credibility has nothing to do with this.

The post of yours that I quoted referred specifically to reducing the amount of fat in the body. Adipose tissue (ie, the material that increases in fat cells) is what makes people overweight.

Figure it out for yourself. In the normal course of bodily function, what happens to glucose? Unless the person taking the raspberry extract engages in a physical activity, the glucose converted by the extract from fat will just go back to being fat.

The idea that conversion of fat to glucose as a result of taking raspberry extract will enable a person to "start 'thinkin thin'" (sic)... is where this whole thing enters the realm of snake oil.

So does my wife, who's worked in the gene therapy field. I, a non-scientist, am not as qualified as my wife on this subject. However, I do knnow everything we eat has been genetically modified, plants and animals alike.

For example, the first ears of corn, grown and consumed by the people of what is now Central America, millennia ago, were tiny blobs of plant matter. It took a long time to get corn to grow in size, and it didn't require work in a laboratory.

What we can do in a lab, therefore, merely speeds up what we have already done countless times before.

By the way, what my wife doesn't trust is irradiated food.

The problem with the argument you have just stated, is that inserting an animal's genes into a plant's is not possible in the natural event. Species also have this rather innate ability to avoid mating with animals that aren't their own kind.

Inserting a traits of an animal into a plant or an entirely different animal species via gene shearing and manipulation is a a result of human intervention.

As I said in a previous post, DDT was safe once and used on all the crops people ate. So was gasoline with lead additives.

Get real. Semantics is what we do here. And, yes, what you say and how you say it has everything to do with your credibility. Ability to read, understand and if there is a question, ask it, doesn't hurt at all either.

Is this the 50+ or the Roadie? I think I took a wrong turn somewhere.

I asked for opinions on Raspberry Extract. Some folks insist on turning this into a somewhat vitriolic discussion on quite different topics. As I said before if you want to discuss those other things I have no problem with it. But, start the appropriate thread. Given the emotional content the thread should probably not be here.

I'm asking the Moderators to close this one.

Closed, per the OP's request.