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Presenting: The New Diamond Llama

Old 03-02-19, 03:37 PM
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Presenting: The New Diamond Llama

This was introduced on Jan 21.

https://www.bikefriday.com/folding-bikes/product/bike-friday-diamond-llama-folding-bike

Features:

Diamond Frame: for heavier loads
Ability to take tires up to 2.2 inches
1 1/4 steerer and headset as standard
3 bottle cage mounts (top of top tube, the bottom of the down tube, the rear of the folding mast)
Takes front and rear racks for panniers
Standard Rider = 240lbs. and Heavy Rider Upgrade = 330lbs. available
Still folds in seconds to fit into a car trunk
Still packs into an Airline check-able suitcase
Available with electric assist front hub or rear hub motors as an upgrade

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Old 03-02-19, 05:47 PM
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Very nice, And upgrade-able to 'Murican sizes. Thank you for sharing.

You know, I see this and would love to see a simple mini velo with this geometry. i.e tall seat tube, etc.
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Indeed looks like a good touring option. On the personal side, I find it interesting that, out of the multitude of suitcases in the market, their suitcase update for their trailer system ended up with exactly the same model I started using with their system. Incidentally this model, Samsonite S'Cure, was popular in Europe, but no so much marketed in the US.
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I've owned a heavy rider option Llama for many years..
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Iíve got one on order and should be here soon. Canít wait.

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If I had to do a global tour and it had to fold n fly, this seems the best bike. Overbuilt steel goodness.
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What are y'all's thoughts about how much dirt riding this thing could handle? I'm not looking to fly over jumps, but I've had a longstanding dream of a bike strong enough to plonk along slowly on the local singletrack, then fold up to stash in the trunk of my Impala. It's the long steering mast that worries me...
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
What are y'all's thoughts about how much dirt riding this thing could handle? I'm not looking to fly over jumps, but I've had a longstanding dream of a bike strong enough to plonk along slowly on the local singletrack, then fold up to stash in the trunk of my Impala. It's the long steering mast that worries me...
I'd say it can handle more than you. (Meaning you would have to suffer through A LOT of pain before the bike breaks. There being no suspension means there are limits of how much you can torture the bike without hurting your wrists and your back.)
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Originally Posted by mirfi View Post
Very nice, And upgrade-able to 'Murican sizes. Thank you for sharing.

You know, I see this and would love to see a simple mini velo with this geometry. i.e tall seat tube, etc.
Velo Orange Small Wheeler

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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
What are y'all's thoughts about how much dirt riding this thing could handle? I'm not looking to fly over jumps, but I've had a longstanding dream of a bike strong enough to plonk along slowly on the local singletrack, then fold up to stash in the trunk of my Impala. It's the long steering mast that worries me...
Joe, fwiw, my son took my NWT offroad a few times. It was not the diamond frame model, either, and had the lower BB than the Llama. However, he said it did really well. He did not try to hop any big logs with it, but he rode a dirt track up and down a mountain and rolled over embedded rocks and the like. He's about 6 feet and 170lbs and he said he didn't notice any particular flex in the stem, but keep in mind the stem was fairly short for an agressive position. The biggest issue he mentioned was making sure he had the pedals in the optimum position so one didn't hit the ground on a rock or something (but the Llama rides higher). The bike was returned to me filthy but with no damage to any parts other than a new scratch on the rear der, which actually happened loading in a car.
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I appreciate the feedback and look forward to hearing from folks after they get one. I'm not pushing the weight limit (yet!) at 190 lbs., but I'm very interested in its general "overbuiltness" for tumbling around in the dirt.
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Originally Posted by linberl View Post
Joe, fwiw, my son took my NWT offroad a few times. It was not the diamond frame model, either, and had the lower BB than the Llama. However, he said it did really well. He did not try to hop any big logs with it, but he rode a dirt track up and down a mountain and rolled over embedded rocks and the like. He's about 6 feet and 170lbs and he said he didn't notice any particular flex in the stem, but keep in mind the stem was fairly short for an agressive position. The biggest issue he mentioned was making sure he had the pedals in the optimum position so one didn't hit the ground on a rock or something (but the Llama rides higher). The bike was returned to me filthy but with no damage to any parts other than a new scratch on the rear der, which actually happened loading in a car.
Something to note is that bike friday no longer makes the llama with the higher bottom bracket. They are all the same height as the NWT now.
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Originally Posted by Dolomatt View Post
Something to note is that bike friday no longer makes the llama with the higher bottom bracket. They are all the same height as the NWT now.
So what's the difference between the models? Are all Pocket Llama now diamond frame and all NWTs "monotube"? Is there still the option for having a belt drive on NWT (Bottom bracket in rear part) and not for Pocket Llama?
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Originally Posted by ladi View Post
So what's the difference between the models? Are all Pocket Llama now diamond frame and all NWTs "monotube"? Is there still the option for having a belt drive on NWT (Bottom bracket in rear part) and not for Pocket Llama?

They got rid of the pocket llama. Diamond llama is pretty much same as the heavy rider option of the nwt now. My understanding is if you want belt drive you need the standard NWT frame. My order for the diamond llama required a chain tensioner for rear hub.
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No , but now NWT, folds above the BB, so belt drive is an option, you have to specify belt option, so the frame is split to let the belt through..

and Llama and pocket rocket fold behind the BB and so a derailleur drivetrain,
Or a chain tensioner on an IGH is how they have to be built .. (I have R'off's)

My Llama is higher BB, (My feet out of the puddle wheel spray.). than NWT/Rocket..

Llama had, the front diamond frame option, and the monotube ... NWT & Rocket only the monotube ...


I see they changed the rear section and now there is a Kickstand mounting plate..

disc brake, gone to a post mount inside the rear , rather than ISO tab, behind the loopstay,

their tandems all used the 2 oversize tube front triangle , the early 90's ones used a smaller diameter tube triangle..



If it matters , you can write Walter an Email, at the company and go direct rather than hearsay, here.
https://www.bikefriday.com/folding-bikes/







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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
What are y'all's thoughts about how much dirt riding this thing could handle? ..... It's the long steering mast that worries me...
the fork steerer is 1.25" I bought someone else's Bespoke order when the backed out..

they chose a folding mast, I designed a replacement, shown here , It moves not at all ..

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Originally Posted by pakeboi View Post
I went to the Velo Orange site and the top comment is, and I quote

" Do you know what sizes will be available? I'd love to see something that fits similarly to a 61 cm "normal" bike. There are hardly any small-wheeled bikes out there for tall guys."

Yes, you got my feeling exactly.

Thank you
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Originally Posted by Dolomatt View Post


Something to note is that bike friday no longer makes the llama with the higher bottom bracket. They are all the same height as the NWT now.
The Diamond Llama page says the BB is higher.
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
The Diamond Llama page says the BB is higher.
yep. They said they havenít updated the page to reflect the change yet.
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Originally Posted by Dolomatt View Post


yep. They said they havenít updated the page to reflect the change yet.
They have a new model that needs its new page updated? Where are you getting your information?
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Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
They have a new model that needs its new page updated? Where are you getting your information?
Straight from the horses mouth. I bought one recently. Send them an email.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
I see they changed the rear section and now there is a Kickstand mounting plate..
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But this is an older change. My 2015 Pocket Llama already had such a mounting plate. (Or maybe they changed it multiple times...)
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Got mine this week. Aside from a small part needing replacement needed Iím loving it.

Confirmed that the bottom bracket is not is not raised anymore also.


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Light off roading video, seems strong enough for the average usage scenario.
https://youtu.be/ihJQmtt39YA
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Very nice indeed,...
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