Birdy thread
11-02-16, 11:02 PM
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11-02-16, 11:28 PM
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I bought a used "classic" Birdy (pre-2003) on Craigslist. The price was right, and I like it a lot. I had ridden a borrowed newer-model Birdy before, and loved the ride. I've also test ridden a Bike Friday and some other folders, but hate the rough ride of a small-wheeled bike without a suspension, especially in front.
The Birdy I got has no fenders/mudguards or rack. I don't need a rack, but I would like fenders/mudguards.
The local Birdy dealers (Warm Planet in San Francisco and Urban Bike Fitters in Fremont, CA, USA) say the classic Birdy models lack the mounting points for the current Birdy-specific racks or fenders.
(1) Does anyone know a currently-available fender-mudguard set that will fit a classic Birdy? I'm wiling to do *some* hacking to make it fit, but I'm not an expect and don't want to drill the frame.
(2) Once upon a time, fenders/mudguards were made for the classic Birdy. Somewhere there is probably a NOS set collecting dust in the back of a shop. Does anyone know of a Birdy dealer that might be likely to have one?
(3) I'm in the USA, but I'm going to be in Amsterdam and Brussels next month, probably with my Birdy. Can anyone recommend a shop in either of those cities that sells a lot of Birdys, or that has a large variety of folding bike accessories and might have something that could be made to fit my older Birdy?
(I've posted a separate message about the size of a folded classic Birdy as airline luggage, slightly related only to the extent that fenders/mudguards might slightly increase the folded dimensions.)
Thanks for any tips, experience, or advice.
Edward
The Birdy I got has no fenders/mudguards or rack. I don't need a rack, but I would like fenders/mudguards.
The local Birdy dealers (Warm Planet in San Francisco and Urban Bike Fitters in Fremont, CA, USA) say the classic Birdy models lack the mounting points for the current Birdy-specific racks or fenders.
(1) Does anyone know a currently-available fender-mudguard set that will fit a classic Birdy? I'm wiling to do *some* hacking to make it fit, but I'm not an expect and don't want to drill the frame.
(2) Once upon a time, fenders/mudguards were made for the classic Birdy. Somewhere there is probably a NOS set collecting dust in the back of a shop. Does anyone know of a Birdy dealer that might be likely to have one?
(3) I'm in the USA, but I'm going to be in Amsterdam and Brussels next month, probably with my Birdy. Can anyone recommend a shop in either of those cities that sells a lot of Birdys, or that has a large variety of folding bike accessories and might have something that could be made to fit my older Birdy?
(I've posted a separate message about the size of a folded classic Birdy as airline luggage, slightly related only to the extent that fenders/mudguards might slightly increase the folded dimensions.)
Thanks for any tips, experience, or advice.
Edward
Warm Planet Bikes sell Birdies? Do they have the newest models? Also do they have all the parts to fix/replace parts for a Birdy or is it hard to find?
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11-02-16, 11:30 PM
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I'm "late" to this thread. I recently test-rode a birdy (Urban Bike Fitters in Fremont, California) and was impressed by the smooth ride over somewhat rough pavement. I'm seriously considering buying one. Before I commit, I'd appreciate comments anyone might have with respect to experience with the Rolloff model...
Do they have all the parts to fix/replace parts for a Birdy or is it hard to find? Do they have the latest models?
11-02-16, 11:39 PM
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Looking online at their website, I found no reference to Warm Planet Bikes selling Birdy bikes... unfortunately!
Urban has, I believe, only one model of Birdy available to examine and demo. The owner indicated that he can order and obtain the other models and that he does service them.
It seems odd, and disappointing, that there is currently only one Birdy vendor in the country; my impression as a result of a brief test ride is that its a great folder. Living in the Pacific Northwest, when the weather turns water, I intend to return to Urban Bicycles to take a longer test ride before committing to ordering a bike.
Urban has, I believe, only one model of Birdy available to examine and demo. The owner indicated that he can order and obtain the other models and that he does service them.
It seems odd, and disappointing, that there is currently only one Birdy vendor in the country; my impression as a result of a brief test ride is that its a great folder. Living in the Pacific Northwest, when the weather turns water, I intend to return to Urban Bicycles to take a longer test ride before committing to ordering a bike.
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A birdie with mud guards will take a big apple in 2 inch at the back with no problems even on thick mud. But even a 1.5 tyre will clog with mud at the front although a 2 inch bigapple fits without issues without mudguards.
11-08-16, 03:23 AM
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Looking online at their website, I found no reference to Warm Planet Bikes selling Birdy bikes... unfortunately!
Urban has, I believe, only one model of Birdy available to examine and demo. The owner indicated that he can order and obtain the other models and that he does service them.
It seems odd, and disappointing, that there is currently only one Birdy vendor in the country; my impression as a result of a brief test ride is that its a great folder. Living in the Pacific Northwest, when the weather turns water, I intend to return to Urban Bicycles to take a longer test ride before committing to ordering a bike.
Urban has, I believe, only one model of Birdy available to examine and demo. The owner indicated that he can order and obtain the other models and that he does service them.
It seems odd, and disappointing, that there is currently only one Birdy vendor in the country; my impression as a result of a brief test ride is that its a great folder. Living in the Pacific Northwest, when the weather turns water, I intend to return to Urban Bicycles to take a longer test ride before committing to ordering a bike.
Wait, so there's only one Birdy model and that model is only a demo? How long would it take for the bike to arrive ta the store if we order through them? And is it a good idea to buy online from this place?
Birdy Standard 9 Speed – NYCeWheels.com
They aren't an official dealer but looks like they have it, tax free and can ship immediately. Also is that the latest model?
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11-08-16, 09:22 AM
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I'm toying with the idea of reducing the number of speeds my Birdy has as a winter project. My Birdy currently has a Sram Dual Drive 3 x 8 hub (with a Sram 11-32) cassette. When paired with the 58 tooth chainring I have on it, the bike is capable of a ridiculously massive gear inch range which is fun, but ultimately, it's a setup that is completely unnecessary. (...I mean, I can't even use the top gear unless I'm going downhill.... but when I can, I easily can hit 34mph! Going uphill is ridiculously easy spinning out in lowgear!)
So... with my current gearing, I can tackle virtually any hill up or down and have a multitude of speed options in the flats.... HOWEVER.... since my Birdy is used 99% of the time for commuting to work, I find myself ever only using THREE gears!
This has me thinking... "simplify".
I'm considering actually going in the complete opposite direction and dropping my number of gears to match the purpose of this bike, and if I'm going to change the hub, why not consider losing the excess cabling and consider a coaster brake.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL!
1) I'm curious if anyone has ever tried using a coaster brake hub (any speed... single, two, three, seven, etc.) on their Birdy?
2) If so, what was your experiences with a coaster hub on a Birdy?
So... with my current gearing, I can tackle virtually any hill up or down and have a multitude of speed options in the flats.... HOWEVER.... since my Birdy is used 99% of the time for commuting to work, I find myself ever only using THREE gears!
This has me thinking... "simplify".
I'm considering actually going in the complete opposite direction and dropping my number of gears to match the purpose of this bike, and if I'm going to change the hub, why not consider losing the excess cabling and consider a coaster brake.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL!
1) I'm curious if anyone has ever tried using a coaster brake hub (any speed... single, two, three, seven, etc.) on their Birdy?
2) If so, what was your experiences with a coaster hub on a Birdy?
I have a deep mistrust of internal geared hubs.
I love the "simplicity" of a derailleur system.
There is nothing "simple" about a birdy or your project. You will only have one cable running to the back of the bike for your shifter but that is all.
The 3 gears on a 3 speed are not changeable to the ratios you want.
The extra weight and mechanical resistance you get from an IGH is not worth it to me compared to a simple 9 speed derailleur system.
For about the same price as your conversion you should be able to find a good used 7 speed IGH folding Dahon.
I have a 7 speed igh Dahon that I got for $200 used that is in nearly new condition. It does not have the range of ratios I want. I want at least a 90 high gear and at least a 30 low gear.
The 8 speed 11/30---52 on my Swift is perfect.
Heck for the price of your project you could buy a Swift new---almost.
You could easily buy a Dahon speed uno and play with it.
I have only played with a few geared coaster brakes but I always felt they had a lot of drag. I know the single speed coasters have way more drag than I want.
11-08-16, 03:41 PM
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I'm toying with the idea of reducing the number of speeds my Birdy has as a winter project. My Birdy currently has a Sram Dual Drive 3 x 8 hub (with a Sram 11-32) cassette. When paired with the 58 tooth chainring I have on it, the bike is capable of a ridiculously massive gear inch range which is fun, but ultimately, it's a setup that is completely unnecessary. (...I mean, I can't even use the top gear unless I'm going downhill.... but when I can, I easily can hit 34mph! Going uphill is ridiculously easy spinning out in lowgear!)
So... with my current gearing, I can tackle virtually any hill up or down and have a multitude of speed options in the flats.... HOWEVER.... since my Birdy is used 99% of the time for commuting to work, I find myself ever only using THREE gears!
This has me thinking... "simplify".
I'm considering actually going in the complete opposite direction and dropping my number of gears to match the purpose of this bike, and if I'm going to change the hub, why not consider losing the excess cabling and consider a coaster brake.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL!
1) I'm curious if anyone has ever tried using a coaster brake hub (any speed... single, two, three, seven, etc.) on their Birdy?
2) If so, what was your experiences with a coaster hub on a Birdy?
So... with my current gearing, I can tackle virtually any hill up or down and have a multitude of speed options in the flats.... HOWEVER.... since my Birdy is used 99% of the time for commuting to work, I find myself ever only using THREE gears!
This has me thinking... "simplify".
I'm considering actually going in the complete opposite direction and dropping my number of gears to match the purpose of this bike, and if I'm going to change the hub, why not consider losing the excess cabling and consider a coaster brake.
QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL!
1) I'm curious if anyone has ever tried using a coaster brake hub (any speed... single, two, three, seven, etc.) on their Birdy?
2) If so, what was your experiences with a coaster hub on a Birdy?
I've had a few Birdy bikes through the years, both with the excellent Sachs 3x7, the SRAM Dual Drive, as well as straight derailleur gearing...
If you went with a small IGH 2 or 3 speed (any hub with more gears gets to be a pretty heavy wheel, although Birdy does offer a Rohloff version), you would still need a chain tensioner to handle the excess chain when folding as well as maintaining normal riding tension to compensate for the vertical dropouts .. coaster brakes don't work well with spring loaded tensioners or derailleurs ..
If I wanted to reduce gearing and convert a Birdy to IGH to use as a commuter, I'd consider a 3 speed non-coaster with small chain tensioner .. you'd lose the weight of the cassette, large derailleur and one shifter/cable combo.. I ride a Moulton 3 speed IGH all the time and find the gearing sufficient for moderately hilly Marin county roads..
11-09-16, 08:47 PM
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This Birdy Standard 9 speed worth getting for $1,500? Also from looking at the specs, about what year was it released?
Frame: BIRDY Monocoque
Fork: BIRDY spring suspension
Color: Scotch Brite + Coating
Head Sets: AL-2 1-1/8" H:27.5mm A-head type
BB Parts: 68/113mm steel axle
Seat Post: BIRDY AL7075 34.9x570mm black anodized w/ laser scale
Tire: Maxxis BIRDY 18x1.5" 90psi kevlar inside w/reflective sidewall
Rim: Alex DA16 w/ ground side walls & indicator 24H
Hub: F- BIRDY 24H / R: Shimano Alivio 36H
Chainwheel: BIRDY 56T w/ double chainguard
Freewheel: Shimano CS-HG50 9speed 11~32T
Derailleur: Shimano Alivio 9 speed
Shifter: Shimano Alivio 9speed right only
Saddle: Velo VL-3023 black
Pedal: VP-197 silver cage w/BS reflectors
Handlebar: AL2014 520mm black anodized
Stem: BIRDY adjustable stme 10degree
Brake: Avid SD5 V-brake
Brake Lever: Avid FR5 for V-brake
Accessory: Bell
Suspension Unit: Red PU
Dimensions Folded (HxWxL): 23.6" x 15.4" x 28.3" (60cm x 39cm x 72cm)
Weight (w/o pedal): 24 lbs (10.9kg)
Frame: BIRDY Monocoque
Fork: BIRDY spring suspension
Color: Scotch Brite + Coating
Head Sets: AL-2 1-1/8" H:27.5mm A-head type
BB Parts: 68/113mm steel axle
Seat Post: BIRDY AL7075 34.9x570mm black anodized w/ laser scale
Tire: Maxxis BIRDY 18x1.5" 90psi kevlar inside w/reflective sidewall
Rim: Alex DA16 w/ ground side walls & indicator 24H
Hub: F- BIRDY 24H / R: Shimano Alivio 36H
Chainwheel: BIRDY 56T w/ double chainguard
Freewheel: Shimano CS-HG50 9speed 11~32T
Derailleur: Shimano Alivio 9 speed
Shifter: Shimano Alivio 9speed right only
Saddle: Velo VL-3023 black
Pedal: VP-197 silver cage w/BS reflectors
Handlebar: AL2014 520mm black anodized
Stem: BIRDY adjustable stme 10degree
Brake: Avid SD5 V-brake
Brake Lever: Avid FR5 for V-brake
Accessory: Bell
Suspension Unit: Red PU
Dimensions Folded (HxWxL): 23.6" x 15.4" x 28.3" (60cm x 39cm x 72cm)
Weight (w/o pedal): 24 lbs (10.9kg)
11-10-16, 02:37 AM
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That looks exactly like the one I bought and described at the start of the Birdy thread. A great bike, worth the price, although I got it for less, I think. I upgraded the gearing after a while but that probably wasn't necessary. I sold it after getting a Brompton. I used mine a lot. I did a fully loaded tour of Kangaroo Island with it, see link in signature.
11-10-16, 11:18 AM
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From the specs, looks to be a Mk2 Birdy . they made it to the US around 2008 .. the Mk3 Birdy 2015 ..Mk3 has disc brakes and redesigned front fork.. so the bike in Fremont is most likely something a few years old, but NOS .. Support in the US for a Birdy is pretty dismal at the moment .. If you wanted a MK3 Birdy, you might have to order direct from Pacific Cycles ... that being said, a Birdy is a great riding small wheel bike.. most of the drivetrain parts are generic, so that's not an issue in the US... there are plenty of aftermarket bits from Asia ..
11-10-16, 11:24 AM
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On the plus side - that one has the adjustable stem. I'm tall (6'4") and one of the reasons I sold mine in the end was that the non-adjustable stem was just too low for me and I couldn't find a replacement here in the US.
Also, although drivetrain parts are available, as Bruce said, it can be hard to find 18" tires. I haven't looked lately, but choice was extremely limited last time I checked.
11-10-16, 12:07 PM
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Schwalbe lists 8 tires in 355 ERTO from 28 to 50mm but their stock varies .. If you stray from Schwalbe tires, choices do drop quickly .. I liked the Schwalbe Kojak on mine, but also ran the Maxxis Birdy tire ..
11-10-16, 02:08 PM
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Very cool. Yeah, looks like they're out of 28 mm. I ran 28 mm Stelvios on mine - the ride was still fantastic thanks to the suspension. So it looks like tire choice is less of an issue than it used to be - though it does require planning ahead and buying online.
11-10-16, 05:28 PM
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From the specs, looks to be a Mk2 Birdy . they made it to the US around 2008 .. the Mk3 Birdy 2015 ..Mk3 has disc brakes and redesigned front fork.. so the bike in Fremont is most likely something a few years old, but NOS .. Support in the US for a Birdy is pretty dismal at the moment .. If you wanted a MK3 Birdy, you might have to order direct from Pacific Cycles ... that being said, a Birdy is a great riding small wheel bike.. most of the drivetrain parts are generic, so that's not an issue in the US... there are plenty of aftermarket bits from Asia ..
Is $1,500 for the MK2 overpriced or is that a fair price after all these year it's been out? It's advertised as new and the guy on the phone said it's on sale. He also said there's one left. Seems like the MK3 Birdy is $1,850 and is sold at Nycewheels in New York. The store in Fremont is an official dealer but not Nycewheels according to the Birdy site, not sure if this makes a difference.
https://www.nycewheels.com/birdy-stan...ding-bike.html
Since Fremont is an official dealer they should have all the parts available that is needed for any part of the bike including the 18 inch wheels?
The store in Fremont also has this Birdy classic for $1,500
Frame: BIRDY Classic
Fork: BIRDY spring suspension
Color: Red or Blue
Head Sets: FSA NO.10 Internal type
BB Parts: 68/122.5mm steel axle
Seat Post: BIRDY AL7075 34.9x570mm black anodized w/ laser scale
Tire: Maxxis BIRDY 18x1.5" 90psi kevlar inside w/reflective sidewall
Rim: Alex DV15 w/ ground side walls & indicator 24H
Hub: F- BIRDY 24H / R- Shimano 8speed 36H
Chainwheel: BIRDY 52T w/ double chainguard
CG Freewheel: Shimano CS-HG41 8speed 11~32T
Derailleur: Shimano Acera 8speed
Shifter: Shimano Acera 8speed right only
Saddle: Velo VL-312-2 black
Pedal: VP-199A silver cage w/BS reflectors
Handlebar: AL6061 520mm black anodized
Stem: BIRDY standard stme 17degree
Brake: Tektro 836AL V-brake
Brake Lever: Tektro CL-330RS for V-brake
Accessory: Bell
Suspension Unit: Red PU
Dimensions Folded (HxWxL): 24.4" x 13" x 28.3" (62cm x 33cm x 72cm)
Weight: (w/o pedal) 24 lbs. (10.9kg)
11-10-16, 05:56 PM
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They've run ads for those two bikes on San Francisco CL over the past few months .. in fact, just checked, they are both still on there for $1500 .. if you're concerned about replacement parts (stems, seatposts, wheels, chassis/suspension parts, frames, etc) call them and ask them what kind of Birdy specific parts they have in stock on the shelf .. $1500 is a fair price considering what nice bikes they are and it's competition .. they've also had that Mk2 on sale for months, so they might be agreeable to a friendly offer ...
11-10-16, 06:16 PM
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When I was looking at a Birdy last year, I recall reading that v.3, the New Birdy, had 100 improvemets over v.2. It could have been hype, or there could be something there. I never took the time to investigate because I was focused exclusively on v.3.
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11-10-16, 11:31 PM
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There are some geometry tweaks on the newest Birdy, at least that was what was my understanding when talking to a technical rep at Taipei in March. So its not quite been fully amortized in terms of its hydroform molds to bring its costs down though.
11-13-16, 02:42 AM
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How do you clean and blacken your tires? What are you guys using to blacken your tires?
11-13-16, 10:25 AM
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11-13-16, 10:51 AM
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In my route, there is this short dusty hardened desert that I pass everyday. I will try car tire stuff to blacken them once in a while.
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Get the Birdy from bfold.com.
Two years ago I bought a birdy from bfold.com in NYC. I'm not sure if they are the official birdy dealer or not but they import the birdies directly from Pacific Cycle in Taiwan. I got a 9 speed disc brake birdy from Peter. They do have a website www.bfold.com. Great little folding bike store. If you want more info PM me.
Is $1,500 for the MK2 overpriced or is that a fair price after all these year it's been out? It's advertised as new and the guy on the phone said it's on sale. He also said there's one left. Seems like the MK3 Birdy is $1,850 and is sold at Nycewheels in New York. The store in Fremont is an official dealer but not Nycewheels according to the Birdy site, not sure if this makes a difference.
Birdy Standard 9 Speed – NYCeWheels.com
Since Fremont is an official dealer they should have all the parts available that is needed for any part of the bike including the 18 inch wheels?
The store in Fremont also has this Birdy classic for $1,500
Frame: BIRDY Classic
Fork: BIRDY spring suspension
Color: Red or Blue
Head Sets: FSA NO.10 Internal type
BB Parts: 68/122.5mm steel axle
Seat Post: BIRDY AL7075 34.9x570mm black anodized w/ laser scale
Tire: Maxxis BIRDY 18x1.5" 90psi kevlar inside w/reflective sidewall
Rim: Alex DV15 w/ ground side walls & indicator 24H
Hub: F- BIRDY 24H / R- Shimano 8speed 36H
Chainwheel: BIRDY 52T w/ double chainguard
CG Freewheel: Shimano CS-HG41 8speed 11~32T
Derailleur: Shimano Acera 8speed
Shifter: Shimano Acera 8speed right only
Saddle: Velo VL-312-2 black
Pedal: VP-199A silver cage w/BS reflectors
Handlebar: AL6061 520mm black anodized
Stem: BIRDY standard stme 17degree
Brake: Tektro 836AL V-brake
Brake Lever: Tektro CL-330RS for V-brake
Accessory: Bell
Suspension Unit: Red PU
Dimensions Folded (HxWxL): 24.4" x 13" x 28.3" (62cm x 33cm x 72cm)
Weight: (w/o pedal) 24 lbs. (10.9kg)
Birdy Standard 9 Speed – NYCeWheels.com
Since Fremont is an official dealer they should have all the parts available that is needed for any part of the bike including the 18 inch wheels?
The store in Fremont also has this Birdy classic for $1,500
Frame: BIRDY Classic
Fork: BIRDY spring suspension
Color: Red or Blue
Head Sets: FSA NO.10 Internal type
BB Parts: 68/122.5mm steel axle
Seat Post: BIRDY AL7075 34.9x570mm black anodized w/ laser scale
Tire: Maxxis BIRDY 18x1.5" 90psi kevlar inside w/reflective sidewall
Rim: Alex DV15 w/ ground side walls & indicator 24H
Hub: F- BIRDY 24H / R- Shimano 8speed 36H
Chainwheel: BIRDY 52T w/ double chainguard
CG Freewheel: Shimano CS-HG41 8speed 11~32T
Derailleur: Shimano Acera 8speed
Shifter: Shimano Acera 8speed right only
Saddle: Velo VL-312-2 black
Pedal: VP-199A silver cage w/BS reflectors
Handlebar: AL6061 520mm black anodized
Stem: BIRDY standard stme 17degree
Brake: Tektro 836AL V-brake
Brake Lever: Tektro CL-330RS for V-brake
Accessory: Bell
Suspension Unit: Red PU
Dimensions Folded (HxWxL): 24.4" x 13" x 28.3" (62cm x 33cm x 72cm)
Weight: (w/o pedal) 24 lbs. (10.9kg)
11-14-16, 09:25 PM
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Two years ago I bought a birdy from bfold.com in NYC. I'm not sure if they are the official birdy dealer or not but they import the birdies directly from Pacific Cycle in Taiwan. I got a 9 speed disc brake birdy from Peter. They do have a website Home : Bfold. Great little folding bike store. If you want more info PM me.
Would any competent local bike shop be able to fix anything on the bike? Also are some parts really that hard to find including 18 inch wheels? That's the only thing keeping me from buying a Birdy. Having a hard time fixing the bike and end up with a useless bike or a bike that would take a long time to fix due to waiting for parts to arrive and or LBS not being able to fix it.
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Would any competent local bike shop be able to fix anything on the bike? Also are some parts really that hard to find including 18 inch wheels? That's the only thing keeping me from buying a Birdy. Having a hard time fixing the bike and end up with a useless bike or a bike that would take a long time to fix due to waiting for parts to arrive and or LBS not being able to fix it.
Edit: just found this on their website: bfold is an authorized dealer for Brompton, birdy, Xootr / Swift, Bike Friday, Strida, Moulton, Pashley-Moulton, Carry-Me, REACH, Dahon, Tern and Catrike.