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I've posted some notes on my recent plane and train (and city riding) travels with my Birdy in my blog:
https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002276.html
Turkish Airlines is still offering the trans-Atlantic sale fares that allow two pieces of checked baggage at no extra charge that I mention in that post. This means you can check both a folding bike and a large backpack (or set of panniers) without any checked baggage fee.
https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002276.html
Turkish Airlines is still offering the trans-Atlantic sale fares that allow two pieces of checked baggage at no extra charge that I mention in that post. This means you can check both a folding bike and a large backpack (or set of panniers) without any checked baggage fee.
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I rather wonder why people are enamored of belt drives. Belt drives have been available here in Japan on various types of bikes for decades, and even though they are not particularly expensive, they still have not managed to catch on.
One of the things I most like about the Birdy is it's ability to use standard components. I have an XTR 11 speed driveline on mine, with a Dura Ace crankset and front derailleur, for a total of 22 speeds. And it is all bolt-on, no fabrication or modification. And if and when Shimano comes up with a 12 speed system, it will likely bolt onto the Birdy as easy as the 8, 9, 10, and 11 speed parts do.
I also like that converting to 20" wheels involves nothing more than attaching the wheels, and either extending the brake posts with adapters, or getting brakes with longer arms.
As for the suspension, here in Japan there are various types available, but pneumatic and hydraulic. These are a bit expensive, about $200 each for the front and back. For myself, the stock springs and elastomers are completely adequate. They aren't high on the cool factor, but they are perfect for the job.
The only advantage to the belt drive would be to keep your hands and bike bag clean when folding and unfolding your bike.
One of the things I most like about the Birdy is it's ability to use standard components. I have an XTR 11 speed driveline on mine, with a Dura Ace crankset and front derailleur, for a total of 22 speeds. And it is all bolt-on, no fabrication or modification. And if and when Shimano comes up with a 12 speed system, it will likely bolt onto the Birdy as easy as the 8, 9, 10, and 11 speed parts do.
I also like that converting to 20" wheels involves nothing more than attaching the wheels, and either extending the brake posts with adapters, or getting brakes with longer arms.
As for the suspension, here in Japan there are various types available, but pneumatic and hydraulic. These are a bit expensive, about $200 each for the front and back. For myself, the stock springs and elastomers are completely adequate. They aren't high on the cool factor, but they are perfect for the job.
The only advantage to the belt drive would be to keep your hands and bike bag clean when folding and unfolding your bike.
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One of the things I most like about the Birdy is it's ability to use standard components. I have an XTR 11 speed driveline on mine, with a Dura Ace crankset and front derailleur, for a total of 22 speeds. And it is all bolt-on, no fabrication or modification. And if and when Shimano comes up with a 12 speed system, it will likely bolt onto the Birdy as easy as the 8, 9, 10, and 11 speed parts do.
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What is the better V brakes can you recommend for Birdy? Will Magura rim brakes will fit on a Birdy?
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With your 2X11 system, do you have any idea of the gear range as expressed in gear inches?
The range is from 17" to 85" (remember my Birdy has 20" wheels). It is quite adequate for just about anything, though the rear cassette looks the size of a dinner plate. There are some steep hills here in Japan, no need for me to get out of the saddle to climb them. The only difficulty I had was finding a front derailleur adapter which fit correctly. There is not a lot of space between the swingarm and the chain rings, so placement is critical. As I was using an Ultegra road hub, a spacer is needed for the 11 speed XTR cassette to fit properly, but it was included in the package.
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Birdy Disk brakes: hydraulic or cable actuated?
I've read references to current model Birdy disk brakes being hydraulic... and other references to them being cable driven. Is one correct and the other wrong or is the disk brake chosen a function of marketer preference?
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https://www.r-m.de/en-us/folding-bike/birdy/
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But Pacific Cycles (which I think is the current manufacturer of Birdy) lists the the bike as supplied with an Avid BB 7 Disc brake (which I think is mechanical rather than hydraulic). Same for NYCEwheels (new york). Bfold lists TRP Spyre Disc Brake (also mechanical, I think). That's why I was/am confused!
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I suspect they supply different set-ups for different markets areas.
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I use Shimano XTR v-brakes, no complaints. For 20" wheels I need adapters, but brakes with longer arms and slots work fine without adapters. The only problem with the longer arms and slots is that when the brake shoe is moved closer toward the end of the brake arms, the less leverage you have, which means increased braking effort. In a pinch, you can use your OEM brakes by moving the pads to the end of the slots, and turning them so the ends can grab the rim. I don't recommend doing this unless the alternative is no brakes at all.
With your 2X11 system, do you have any idea of the gear range as expressed in gear inches?
The range is from 17" to 85" (remember my Birdy has 20" wheels). It is quite adequate for just about anything, though the rear cassette looks the size of a dinner plate. There are some steep hills here in Japan, no need for me to get out of the saddle to climb them. The only difficulty I had was finding a front derailleur adapter which fit correctly. There is not a lot of space between the swingarm and the chain rings, so placement is critical. As I was using an Ultegra road hub, a spacer is needed for the 11 speed XTR cassette to fit properly, but it was included in the package.
With your 2X11 system, do you have any idea of the gear range as expressed in gear inches?
The range is from 17" to 85" (remember my Birdy has 20" wheels). It is quite adequate for just about anything, though the rear cassette looks the size of a dinner plate. There are some steep hills here in Japan, no need for me to get out of the saddle to climb them. The only difficulty I had was finding a front derailleur adapter which fit correctly. There is not a lot of space between the swingarm and the chain rings, so placement is critical. As I was using an Ultegra road hub, a spacer is needed for the 11 speed XTR cassette to fit properly, but it was included in the package.
Besides swapping out the wheels and installing the adapters, are there any other adjustments needed?
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I use Shimano XTR v-brakes, no complaints. For 20" wheels I need adapters, but brakes with longer arms and slots work fine without adapters. The only problem with the longer arms and slots is that when the brake shoe is moved closer toward the end of the brake arms, the less leverage you have, which means increased braking effort. In a pinch, you can use your OEM brakes by moving the pads to the end of the slots, and turning them so the ends can grab the rim. I don't recommend doing this unless the alternative is no brakes at all.
With your 2X11 system, do you have any idea of the gear range as expressed in gear inches?
The range is from 17" to 85" (remember my Birdy has 20" wheels). It is quite adequate for just about anything, though the rear cassette looks the size of a dinner plate. There are some steep hills here in Japan, no need for me to get out of the saddle to climb them. The only difficulty I had was finding a front derailleur adapter which fit correctly. There is not a lot of space between the swingarm and the chain rings, so placement is critical. As I was using an Ultegra road hub, a spacer is needed for the 11 speed XTR cassette to fit properly, but it was included in the package.
With your 2X11 system, do you have any idea of the gear range as expressed in gear inches?
The range is from 17" to 85" (remember my Birdy has 20" wheels). It is quite adequate for just about anything, though the rear cassette looks the size of a dinner plate. There are some steep hills here in Japan, no need for me to get out of the saddle to climb them. The only difficulty I had was finding a front derailleur adapter which fit correctly. There is not a lot of space between the swingarm and the chain rings, so placement is critical. As I was using an Ultegra road hub, a spacer is needed for the 11 speed XTR cassette to fit properly, but it was included in the package.
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With the 20" wheels the fold is not as tight, though I can still fit the bike inside my Birdy carrying bag.
The 20" conversion makes an obvious difference in speed, handling, and run-down. And the larger wheels give me more clearance for my medium cage derailleur.
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These are not exactly the same ones that I use, but they will work. The cleanest adapters are the old Suntour Superbe type which adapted short-reach caliper brakes designed for 700c wheels for use on bikes with 27" wheels, though these adapters are very hard to find nowadays. If the adapters are expensive, it may be cheaper just to convert your v-brakes to the type which have longer slots. If price is no object, the Paul Motolite brakes work very well. My local shop sells the longer style v-brake arms, the entire kit, front and rear, is only $25. No special adjustments are necessary.
With the 20" wheels the fold is not as tight, though I can still fit the bike inside my Birdy carrying bag.
The 20" conversion makes an obvious difference in speed, handling, and run-down. And the larger wheels give me more clearance for my medium cage derailleur.
With the 20" wheels the fold is not as tight, though I can still fit the bike inside my Birdy carrying bag.
The 20" conversion makes an obvious difference in speed, handling, and run-down. And the larger wheels give me more clearance for my medium cage derailleur.
Conversion to 20" wheels make a lot of sense. When I picked up my banged up old Birdy, that thing looked like it was using its derailleur as a kickstand. I guess a compromised fold is worth the change.
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But Pacific Cycles (which I think is the current manufacturer of Birdy) lists the the bike as supplied with an Avid BB 7 Disc brake (which I think is mechanical rather than hydraulic). Same for NYCEwheels (new york). Bfold lists TRP Spyre Disc Brake (also mechanical, I think). That's why I was/am confused!
So depending on in which area of the world you are living Birdies may be speced differently.
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Riese and Müller is the inventor of the Birdy and also the manufacturer of the models for the western parts of the world. The frames are produced by pacific cycle and they produce and sell the Birdy in Asia. Specs may be different between the two as the product lines are independent from each other apart from using the same frame and the same name. The deal with Pacific Cycles regarding manufacturing and market-areas dates from the very beginning of the Birdy in the nineties when they were looking for some funding to start production and Pacific Cycles stepped in to help them with production of the frames, getting the right to serve the asian market with Birdies in exchange.
So depending on in which area of the world you are living Birdies may be speced differently.
So depending on in which area of the world you are living Birdies may be speced differently.
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I hope you guys don't mind me posting in here, but I figured this might be of some interest for those of you who live in the NYC area. We have been working with Riese & Müller in Germany to bring their bikes to the states and we're going to have a party on April 8th. Heiko Müller, the co-founder of Riese & Müller will be there to talk about the history of the company along with his wife Dr. Sandra Wolf, the Brand Specialist & Managing Director of R&M. I added it to the calendar section, but I figured I would add it here as well. I hope to see some of you there
I'm not able to post links, but the event is April 8th from 6-9pm at Propel - 134 Flushing Ave, Brooklyn, NY, 11205
I'm not able to post links, but the event is April 8th from 6-9pm at Propel - 134 Flushing Ave, Brooklyn, NY, 11205
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Do you think it's possible to get a Birdy (not classic) to 8kg or under? I really like Birdys, the only reason I don't own one is weight.
Anyone know the weight of the frame and fork alone?
Anyone know the weight of the frame and fork alone?
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I think you would have to go single speed and jokacks to get near 8kg. About 10.5 basic bike.
Birdie is one of the lightest folding bikes in mass production.
Birdie is one of the lightest folding bikes in mass production.
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Portland, Oregon has a Birdy dealer! Now that it does I can test-ride and finalize purchase details. That leaves me with another question: How does one obtain ColorPlus parts in the US?
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I hope you guys don't mind me posting in here, but I figured this might be of some interest for those of you who live in the NYC area. We have been working with Riese & Müller in Germany to bring their bikes to the states and we're going to have a party on April 8th. Heiko Müller, the co-founder of Riese & Müller will be there to talk about the history of the company along with his wife Dr. Sandra Wolf, the Brand Specialist & Managing Director of R&M. I added it to the calendar section, but I figured I would add it here as well. I hope to see some of you there
I'm not able to post links, but the event is April 8th from 6-9pm at Propel - 134 Flushing Ave, Brooklyn, NY, 11205
I'm not able to post links, but the event is April 8th from 6-9pm at Propel - 134 Flushing Ave, Brooklyn, NY, 11205
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I hope you can make it. I'm really looking forward to it.
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stems fitting all models,
I have an old birdy silver I would like to upgrade the stem to the newer version.
I see online the stem for sale stating suitable for a 2011 birdie or onwards.
The stem I have seen fits a 2009 bike from the information.
I am aware of the difference in quick release and angle.
Are they all the same fitting in the headset?
There is a slight difference in seatpost diameter but a slight tweak of the clamp is all thats needed changing from my monocoque to classic
I see online the stem for sale stating suitable for a 2011 birdie or onwards.
The stem I have seen fits a 2009 bike from the information.
I am aware of the difference in quick release and angle.
Are they all the same fitting in the headset?
There is a slight difference in seatpost diameter but a slight tweak of the clamp is all thats needed changing from my monocoque to classic
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Birdie stem fitting.
Can I just use a 1 1/8 threadless compatable folding stem from another folder??
Information would be appreciated.
Struggling to find this on line.
Can I just use a 1 1/8 threadless compatable folding stem from another folder??
Information would be appreciated.
Struggling to find this on line.